Coronavirus

[Gemmill 44561]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

ONS data confirms 80% of people positive for coronavirus have no symptoms at all. There are silent spreaders everywhere. Its impossible to control this. 

 

Did you see the paper in the Lancet about false positives? 

[Renton 21451]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Did you see the paper in the Lancet about false positives? 

 

No, but it was the subject of the More or Less podcast recently and its importance was debunked. Will have a look when I get the chance. 

[Gemmill 44561]

Try and get past the first paragraph this time.

[Renton 21451]

10 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Try and get past the first paragraph this time.

Read it. Aye, without knowing the specificity of the tests false positives are a real issue when prevalence is low. Still, there does seem to be a lot of asymptomatic carriers. 85% in the Northumbria outbreak, where prevalence was sufficiently high this shouldn't have been an issue.

[trooper 940]

2 hours ago, Alex said:

I think the real economic damage has been done by delaying the inevitable. That and all the other catastrophic decisions previously. Like locking down too late, not locking down properly, waiting too long to make wearing masks compulsory, not really making wearing masks compulsory, not enforcing restrictions, coming out of lockdown too early, encouraging people to socialise, allowing hundreds of thousands of students to travel to university when they knew infection rates amongst that age group were high, etc, et-fucking-cetera 

I agree with this 100%

 

2 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said:

We’re an island. 
Of all the countries in Europe, we should have been the one to be able to keep the virus out/eradicate it quickly from our population, by imposing strict measures. 
 

If we weren’t run by a balding weasel from Durham, we could have. 

Yeah they knew it was coming & just sat back & watched it. Then eventually shit themselves when the realised how dangerous it was. This could have all been avoided. Or at least been nothing like it is now 

[NJS 4375]

The thing  about the island thing is that the excuse for not closing Heathrow etc was that tens of thousands arrive every day which is obviously incomparable with New Zealand -  however nobody asked why the fuck so many needed to come at that time (March/April/May). Tourists should have been told to fuck off for starters  and they should have allowed repatriation with quarantine but its business travellers that get me. I understand that the UK being such a hub for business is one of the reasons we were hit harder but why the hell didn't they ask travellers if their journey was that necessary? In fact they should have had to explain their reasons. 

[trooper 940]

This from Sky News

England is expected to be carved into three different lockdown tiers next week, with millions of people facing tougher restrictions as the government tries to get a handle on rising coronavirus cases and hospital admissions.

Pubs and restaurants as well as leisure facilities are expected to be closed in parts of the North put into the strictest tier, according to two sources who have seen blueprints of the current plans.

Under the proposals, people living in the strictest tier - tier three - are also expected to be ordered not to have any social contact with anyone outside their household in any setting, according to one person familiar with the blueprints being drawn up by the government.

The strictest tier will also come with a financial compensation package for businesses forced to shut up shop.

A second source who has also seen the tiering proposals said tier two restrictions would be the same as those currently in the North East and Merseyside - no household mixing in homes or gardens, and no household mixing in hospitality settings.

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Those in tier one will be the most light-touch tier, with the public expected to follow the rule of six and maintain social distancing.

Whitehall sources stressed that nothing has yet been signed off. "There's still a lot of work to be done," they told Sky News.

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[Ayatollah Hermione 13842]

The North shut first, eh? Quelle fucking surprise  

[Toonpack 9321]

What a fucking surprise

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54455666

[Monkeys Fist 42205]

“ …Ordered not to have any social contact with anyone outside their household in any setting,”

 

But get to fucking work where you’ll be in contact with potentially hundreds, because we’ve had enough of being socialists. 

[trooper 940]

Miss T was on a Forestry School  Leaders course for her school  back in March. It meant travelling to a forest in the middle of nowhere  in Durham. When lockdown came it was suspended. In September they sent emails saying the course would start back up on monday of this week. Miss T. e mailed back saying she didnt feel comfortable mixing with 20 other teachers all from different schools & wouldnt be attending. She received an e mail from the leader saying everything would be safe & she had nothing to worry about. She still didnt go. Yesterday this was sent to everyone on the course to say. One of the teachers on the course has tested positive hope to see you all tomorrow. This after trying to reassure Miss T. everything would be safe social distancing etc. Seems like her intuition was right 

[Howmanheyman 32893]

42 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

“ …Ordered not to have any social contact with anyone outside their household in any setting,”

 

But get to fucking work where you’ll be in contact with potentially hundreds, because we’ve had enough of being socialists. 

Having a hard time with the 18 year old and her getting a bit pissed off with her not being able see friends anymore but going to work just like her boyfriend does and like we all are. I'm not even sure the established relationship counts atm so we're only trying to put our foot down with meeting friends in bars/restaurants.

[Toonpack 9321]

6 hours ago, Carl said:

Looks like Newcastles bars and restaurants will be shut after today, the long term effects of this virus will decimate the north east, I'm in the camp of putting all our resources into protecting the vulnerable and getting back to normal 

https://mobile.twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1313733782235680768

Edited October 8, 2020 by Toonpack

[Renton 21451]

1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said:

“ …Ordered not to have any social contact with anyone outside their household in any setting,”

 

But get to fucking work where you’ll be in contact with potentially hundreds, because we’ve had enough of being socialists. 

28% of cases associated with work, 4% with hospitality!

This is shit. These restrictions won't bring R down to below 1, so at best cases will plateau. There's no way out of a tier once you're in it. I am beginning to just think fuck you, you tory cunts. 

[Alex 34954]

Would I be right in thinking people who’ve had it and were asymptomatic could catch it again with serious symptoms and long term side effects? Or is that too much of an unknown at present? 

[Toonpack 9321]

6 minutes ago, Alex said:

Would I be right in thinking people who’ve had it and were asymptomatic could catch it again with serious symptoms and long term side effects? Or is that too much of an unknown at present? 

I think you're right, immunity pisses off sharpish evidently

But we'll not know until someone gets a positive test but is asymptomatic and then gets it again later and again tests positive

 

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by Toonpack

[PaddockLad 17166]

17 minutes ago, Renton said:

28% of cases associated with work, 4% with hospitality!

This is shit. These restrictions won't bring R down to below 1, so at best cases will plateau. There's no way out of a tier once you're in it. I am beginning to just think fuck you, you tory cunts. 

 

Where can I find these stats to have a look ?....

[Ayatollah Hermione 13842]

44 minutes ago, Renton said:

28% of cases associated with work, 4% with hospitality!

This is shit. These restrictions won't bring R down to below 1, so at best cases will plateau. There's no way out of a tier once you're in it. I am beginning to just think fuck you, you tory cunts. 

 

This is my worry tbh. As if two weeks is anywhere near enough to get it down and even then, the cycle will continue. Keeping the north in the highest tier while London runs amok seems very convenient 

[Gemmill 44561]

48 minutes ago, Renton said:

28% of cases associated with work, 4% with hospitality!

This is shit. These restrictions won't bring R down to below 1, so at best cases will plateau. There's no way out of a tier once you're in it. I am beginning to just think fuck you, you tory cunts. 

 

 

 

Well *someone* is lying. 

 

[Gemmill 44561]

Unless that is a breakdown of the 4% in which case it is deliberately misleading. 

Edited October 8, 2020 by Gemmill

[Renton 21451]

59 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

 

Well *someone* is lying. 

 

 

Dunno, has anyone seen the original data?

 

 

 

 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13842]

Refuse to believe supermarkets aren’t higher tbh

[Renton 21451]

Tbf, I can't find the pie chart in the cited publication but at a cursory glance it doesn't tally with what is in there so it is probably bullshit. 

[Gemmill 44561]

FAKE NEWS RENTON. SHOULD HAVE WATCHED MY VIDEOS! 

[Toonpack 9321]

but. but but, household spread is the main cause they said