Coronavirus

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

14 minutes ago, trooper said:

Prof John Edmunds, a member of the UK's Sage scientific advisory group but speaking to BBC Radio 4 in a personal capacity, said "we haven’t learned from our mistake" in delaying action in March and "we’re unfortunately about to repeat it".

The scientist from the London School of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene told the Today programme: "I don’t think the measures have gone anywhere near far enough."

"I suspect we will see very stringent measures coming in place throughout the UK at some point, but it will be too late again," he said.

He said that we will have let the epidemic "double and double and double again" before stricter measures are introduced, which will mean "the worst of both worlds" because it will mean "putting the brakes on the epidemic for a very long time, very hard".

“Insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different outcomes”- Fred West, or someone else who isn’t Einstein. 
 

[Alex 35095]

The at table service only applies to licensed premises because the government’s had to clarify because they hadn’t thought about the one or two coffee shops and McDonald’s out there 

[Gemmill 44935]

2 hours ago, trooper said:

Miss T's gone in to work today normally nothing phases her. But after Whitty & Valance's projections on Monday & Boris's pathetic response yesterday "a stitch in time saves nine" ffs. I could see her getting anxious as we watched Boris mumble & bumble through last night. She worked all through the Lockdown at school. There was supposed to be a rota but a few teachers didnt turn in last time & she did their days for them. Like I say it didnt bother her last time but I know shes worried this time. 

 

Aye my lass is the same. Doesn't like going in, says all the staff are worried because it's blatantly not safe - even with all the guidelines they've put in place. 

 

North Fawdon Primary has had to shut cos 7 teachers have caught it. 900 state schools nationwide are not fully open cos they've had outbreaks. Sorry like but the stuff about it being safe to keep schools open is total bullshit. Looks like it might take some teachers and pupils dying for the message to land though. 

[Dr Gloom 21941]

35 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Aye my lass is the same. Doesn't like going in, says all the staff are worried because it's blatantly not safe - even with all the guidelines they've put in place. 

 

North Fawdon Primary has had to shut cos 7 teachers have caught it. 900 state schools nationwide are not fully open cos they've had outbreaks. Sorry like but the stuff about it being safe to keep schools open is total bullshit. Looks like it might take some teachers and pupils dying for the message to land though. 

the under 11s don't spread it around you say? how convenient. 

i think you're probably right, but my god i hope they find a way to keep the schools open this winter. they should be the last things to close. 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Dr Gloom

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

Never mind that shit- won’t anybody think of the tortoises????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54251821

[Alex 35095]

And grandparents can look after kids. The latter are probably super spreaders and the former are at risk generally. But crack on so there’s childcare for workers 

[Alex 35095]

3 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Never mind that shit- won’t anybody think of the tortoises????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54251821

I saw that on the rolling breaking covid news ticker. Straight out of Brass Eye

[Renton 21636]

32 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Aye my lass is the same. Doesn't like going in, says all the staff are worried because it's blatantly not safe - even with all the guidelines they've put in place. 

 

North Fawdon Primary has had to shut cos 7 teachers have caught it. 900 state schools nationwide are not fully open cos they've had outbreaks. Sorry like but the stuff about it being safe to keep schools open is total bullshit. Looks like it might take some teachers and pupils dying for the message to land though. 

 

I don't have the answers, but keeping kids off school for a whole year would be pretty catastrophic for their life chances, especially the disadvantaged ones. I think education and healthcare/social care have to continue or we're genuinely fucked as a nation. I don't care too much about all the other sectors, just don't let people die needlessly and don't let kids suffer.

[Gemmill 44935]

7 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I don't have the answers, but keeping kids off school for a whole year would be pretty catastrophic for their life chances, especially the disadvantaged ones. I think education and healthcare/social care have to continue or we're genuinely fucked as a nation. I don't care too much about all the other sectors, just don't let people die needlessly and don't let kids suffer.

 

You just repeat the school year for everyone. That's the answer. Which do you think is preferable, muddle through the current year with constant stops and starts and bunches of kids off for 2 weeks at a time self-isolating, entire year groups having to take time away from school, those of exam age particularly disrupted.....or call the whole thing off, protect pupils, teachers and their families that they'll take the virus home to, and repeat the school year for everyone next year. It is totally bogus to claim that kids and teachers can go to school, mix with other kids/teachers, and go home to their families, and we just don't need to worry about spread of the virus from that. 

 

That's how you do it. This current situation is so sub-optimal that you're leaving kids behind anyway but pretending that you aren't. 

 

It's mostly just you parents don't want your kids at home. You had the little cunts.

[ewerk 30633]

12 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

You just repeat the school year for everyone. That's the answer. Which do you think is preferable, muddle through the current year with constant stops and starts and bunches of kids off for 2 weeks at a time self-isolating, entire year groups having to take time away from school, those of exam age particularly disrupted.....or call the whole thing off, protect pupils, teachers and their families that they'll take the virus home to, and repeat the school year for everyone next year. It is totally bogus to claim that kids and teachers can go to school, mix with other kids/teachers, and go home to their families, and we just don't need to worry about spread of the virus from that. 

 

That's how you do it. This current situation is so sub-optimal that you're leaving kids behind anyway but pretending that you aren't. 

 

It's mostly just you parents don't want your kids at home. You had the little cunts.

So the answer is that we hold an entire generation back a year? I can't see any flaws in that plan at all...

[ewerk 30633]

Not just an entire generation but also everyone coming after them?

[Renton 21636]

I don't think its that easy. Any teacher or parent can tell you most kids lose competencies over the 6 week summer holiday break. To have a years break might put them back 2 years, not 1. And what happens with reception  when you start again, double class sizes? How do you square that circle? The other really important thing is their social skills and wellbeing, kids need to socialise for their mental health imo. Isolating an only child for a year is beyond cruel. And then there's the growing inequality gap and issues with abuse. 

 

I appreciate concern for your wife's health and indirectly yours. But plenty of people are being forced to take risks they didn't sign up for, some of whom are also really poorly paid (care workers). I think yes, we do have to make the best of a bad situation. I'm not aware of a single country in the world that has completely halted education on these time scales. 

[Toonpack 9444]

What Gemmill said, we start a year earlier than most anyway, Gov't need to work it out (gawd help us!!!) set up remote to keep education ticking over until this is under control.

It's a new situation, needs new answers, shoehorning "normal" back won't work.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Toonpack

[Gemmill 44935]

15 minutes ago, ewerk said:

So the answer is that we hold an entire generation back a year? I can't see any flaws in that plan at all...

 

How do you think this year is going anyway with all the forced absences? Which btw are only gonna get worse. And who do you think is most disadvantaged by that? 

 

To Renton's point about kids going backwards, they can still do some remote learning this year to mitigate that.

 

Of course it's not an ideal solution but it's better than the current setup. But if you lads would prefer to pile up some dead teachers and schoolkids so you don't have to have your own kids at home, we'll stick with that.

[Dr Gloom 21941]

47 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I don't have the answers, but keeping kids off school for a whole year would be pretty catastrophic for their life chances, especially the disadvantaged ones. I think education and healthcare/social care have to continue or we're genuinely fucked as a nation. I don't care too much about all the other sectors, just don't let people die needlessly and don't let kids suffer.

You want answers?

I want the truth!

[Howmanheyman 33267]

I know you've all been frantic worrying, but worry no more, my test came back negative. Daughter had to leave school and isolate till I got the results, got them this morning, sent her in then her mate gets a call on the way telling them a classmate, (not in their bubble but whom they've had contact with) has tested positive so it was about turn before she even arrived. Apparently just hearing her mate's mam has been informed she can go back in so expecting a similar call pretty soon. It's all a bit disruptive, isn't it? I called in work and told my test was negative and they didn't even discuss the fact I'm not feeling too clever it was just a 'see you tonight'.

 

 

[Gemmill 44935]

22 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

What Gemmill said, we start a year earlier than most anyway, Gov't need to work it out (gawd help us!!!) set up remote to keep education ticking over until this is under control.

It's a new situation, needs new answers, shoehorning "normal" back won't work.

 

Exactly. This is an exceptional situation, we can't just pretend it isn't and lie about schools being safe. 

 

Renton, you had a 3 month panic attack at the start of the year about having to sit next to someone in a small room. But you're fine with someone else having to stand in a room with 30 non mask wearing superspreaders? 

[Dr Gloom 21941]

Take my kids, please. 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13883]

I think the sooner kids learn the crushing, disappointing realities of life, the better. This has been an ideal education in that regard.

[Toonpack 9444]

The sooner Government(s) realise this is deep shit and it ain't going away any time soon and plan a "new" way of living/working the better. Those that do will be ahead of the game whilst those mired in "getting back to old normal" will continue to lurch from fuck up to fuck up and wave to wave for the foreseeable.

Those that continue to deny that, are brewing up one hell of a backlash when the reality becomes apparent (bit like what'll happen with Brexit for us).

As an aside, I reckon these repeated "armed forces" references are so they can (and will) get army on the streets in advance of Brexit because of Covid and can then avoid having to get them suddenly out for the unrest that I fear is guaranteed because of Brexit, it'll all be played as down to Covid (and the EU obvs). My paranoia rules just now :-) (but I did read Shirer's Rise and Fall a few times and we're well into it).

[ewerk 30633]

39 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

How do you think this year is going anyway with all the forced absences? Which btw are only gonna get worse. And who do you think is most disadvantaged by that? 

 

To Renton's point about kids going backwards, they can still do some remote learning this year to mitigate that.

 

Of course it's not an ideal solution but it's better than the current setup. But if you lads would prefer to pile up some dead teachers and schoolkids so you don't have to have your own kids at home, we'll stick with that.

The cost of what you're suggesting and the consequent delay of those kids and the ones coming behind them being delayed from entering the workforce for a year plus having a fallow year at universities is estimated at £5.6 trillion pounds over the first ten years.

 

Your missus' life simply isn't worth that much.

[Renton 21636]

Oof.

 

I wonder if that data factors in all the mental trauma kids will suffer? I'm pribavly going to come across the twat here but tbh I value children's lives more than adults. At the very least they deserve proper consideration, i know of kids who aren't coping well. 

[trooper 940]

Boris obviously never had a plan for the 2nd wave. Now his scientific advisors have shown what's coming it feels like he's totally ignored them. Wales, Scotland & Ireland have all announced much more stringent measures than England. I'm probably one of the most placid blokes you'd ever meet. Yet everytime I see Boris & hear him mumbling & bumbling on i feel like punching him in the face. He's gambling with peoples lives here the stupid pillock.

[Renton 21636]

Stupid pillock? Steady on, you've gone too far. 

[Gemmill 44935]

19 minutes ago, ewerk said:

The cost of what you're suggesting and the consequent delay of those kids and the ones coming behind them being delayed from entering the workforce for a year plus having a fallow year at universities is estimated at £5.6 trillion pounds over the first ten years.

 

Your missus' life simply isn't worth that much.

 

All the dickheads who can't cope with their kids being in the house can just work an extra year before they retire. Problem solved. 

 

This is payback for all the daft cunts that had 4 and 5 kids in the middle of a population crisis cos "ah we just need another one, our kids are so great".