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34 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Is that racism?

If that's not, then what is racism? He could say "that man" or something else..

He said exactly "negru", not negro. It's meaning black guy in Romanian language. But, doesn't matter anymore.

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It's an interpretation, the initial meaning of racism was the inference or statement of the inferiority of a race. The modern interpretation has expanded that to include more or less any reference to a person's ethnicity, race or religion whether implicitly negative or not.

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No, a player seeking competitive advantage and accusing someone of racism whose first language is Romanian completely outranks me.

Other than identify the individual as black did he say anything offensive? I’m genuinely curious as I haven’t heard a full report on events.

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9 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Also I'm not sure 3 middle class white blokes are best placed to tell people of other races what is and isn't classed as racism ...

Shut up then :razz:

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10 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Also I'm not sure 3 middle class white blokes are best placed to tell people of other races what is and isn't classed as racism ...

What about white upper class or white working class? :lol:

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43 minutes ago, Alex said:

Shut up then :razz:

Nah.

Insinuating that someone who got upset at being referred to by the colour of his skin is a bit precious, or trying to gain a sporting advantage stinks tbh. He's chance to have been called a ni**er his entire life so he's allowed to be sensitive about it. 

It's the same shit seeping through on Facebook and Twitter everyday. It's fine to boo black players taking the knee because BLM is a Marxist front. Bollocks. You're allowed to refer to someone as black in the same way as you would call them blonde or brunette. Bollocks

There's a gentle slide in this country towards casual racism becoming socially acceptable again. Probably by design. And if I have to get all virtue signalling to point it out then that's a cross I'm willing to bear 😉

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9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Nah.

Insinuating that someone who got upset at being referred to by the colour of his skin is a bit precious, or trying to gain a sporting advantage stinks tbh. He's chance to have been called a ni**er his entire life so he's allowed to be sensitive about it. 

It's the same shit seeping through on Facebook and Twitter everyday. It's fine to boo black players taking the knee because BLM is a Marxist front. Bollocks. You're allowed to refer to someone as black in the same way as you would call them blonde or brunette. Bollocks

There's a gentle slide in this country towards casual racism becoming socially acceptable again. Probably by design. And if I have to get all virtue signalling to point it out then that's a cross I'm willing to bear 😉

My understanding of the incident (and I could well be wrong) is that the assistant manager got in a row with the fourth official and the ref came over to find out what happened and when he asked which coach was causing the bother the fourth official said 'the black one'. It isn't acceptable to refer to someone by the colour of their skin these days but similarly what he did doesn't qualify him for membership of the KKK. To abandon the match over it seems to be an overreaction.

It may well be that something much more offensive was said but that's all we know so far.

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4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

My understanding of the incident (and I could well be wrong) is that the assistant manager got in a row with the fourth official and the ref came over to find out what happened and when he asked which coach was causing the bother the fourth official said 'the black one'. It isn't acceptable to refer to someone by the colour of their skin these days but similarly what he did doesn't qualify him for membership of the KKK. To abandon the match over it seems to be an overreaction.

It may well be that something much more offensive was said but that's all we know so far.

I don't think anyone's accusing him of goose-stepping down the touch line. But my original reply was in response you your question, "is that racism?". And by your own admission, it isn't acceptable to say that in 2020.
 

I've got no doubt there was no explicit malice in what he said. But he's an idiot. I struggle to believe UEFA referees and officials haven't had 100 workshops, emails, conference calls on how to manage incidents of racism during a match. And it just becomes more ammunition now for the Tommy Brigade to shout about woke, lefty snowflakes

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12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I don't think anyone's accusing him of goose-stepping down the touch line. But my original reply was in response you your question, "is that racism?". And by your own admission, it isn't acceptable to say that in 2020.

Something not being acceptable to say doesn't necessarily make it racist.

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Would he have said "the white one" though? There's a possible argument I guess that if you were in a majority black country and wanted to identify an individual who was white, that you would indeed say 'the white one', but I'm still not sure that this makes it right. The argument I believe is that people of colour never get to escape from being "the black one" in white society.

 

Why not "the guy on the right", or "the taller one" or whatever. The fact that his skin colour comes up so readily as a descriptive tool is probably the problem here.

 

I've certainly said "the black guy" in the past for this kind of situation, but I actively try to avoid doing so now that I've been a bit more broadly informed on the issue. I mean it doesn't really hurt to just come up with something else.

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Interesting debate either way. Getting off my soap box I can see it from both sides. I guess the difference between being "the white guy" vs "the black guy" is that white people haven't been persecuted for centuries for the colour of their skin. 

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1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Nah.

Insinuating that someone who got upset at being referred to by the colour of his skin is a bit precious, or trying to gain a sporting advantage stinks tbh. He's chance to have been called a ni**er his entire life so he's allowed to be sensitive about it. 

It's the same shit seeping through on Facebook and Twitter everyday. It's fine to boo black players taking the knee because BLM is a Marxist front. Bollocks. You're allowed to refer to someone as black in the same way as you would call them blonde or brunette. Bollocks

There's a gentle slide in this country towards casual racism becoming socially acceptable again. Probably by design. And if I have to get all virtue signalling to point it out then that's a cross I'm willing to bear 😉

It was tongue in cheek but saying they can’t comment is essentially saying you can’t either. I tend to think it’s ‘mild’ racism or (at best) unconscious bias on the part of the official. ‘Black lad’ is the type of phrase I might have used in the past but I wouldn’t use it now. If it slipped out and offended someone I would probably be horrified and would certainly be very apologetic rather than trying to use the cultural excuse the official did. But surely it’s good it’s discussed. You’re essentially closing down the debate by saying they can’t comment on what is or isn’t racist. Comparing them / justifying that using the example of people who are clearly racist on social media isn’t exactly helpful either imo. You know they are not like that too. And while I recognise what you’re saying about racism becoming more ‘acceptable’ in some ways in society, at the same time the comments wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow not too long ago 

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58 minutes ago, Alex said:

It was tongue in cheek but saying they can’t comment is essentially saying you can’t either. I tend to think it’s ‘mild’ racism or (at best) unconscious bias on the part of the official. ‘Black lad’ is the type of phrase I might have used in the past but I wouldn’t use it now. If it slipped out and offended someone I would probably be horrified and would certainly be very apologetic rather than trying to use the cultural excuse the official did. But surely it’s good it’s discussed. You’re essentially closing down the debate by saying they can’t comment on what is or isn’t racist. Comparing them / justifying that using the example of people who are clearly racist on social media isn’t exactly helpful either imo. You know they are not like that too. And while I recognise what you’re saying about racism becoming more ‘acceptable’ in some ways in society, at the same time the comments wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow not too long ago 

I didn't tell anybody they couldn't comment on it. I said we weren't best placed to tell somebody who believes he has been the subject of racism that he hasn't. Anymore than as an Uber straight sex god, could I comment to a member of the LGBTQ community what does and doesn't constitute homophobic or transphobic abuse.
 

I personally think, unless you've lived as a person of colour and experienced the daily implicit and explicit effects of racism, it makes it more difficult to dispute the views of someone that has. Unless you're John Barnes 

 

Im still happy to debate it though

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