Allan Saint-Maximin

[ewerk 33649]

Aye, when three of the chances were received outside the box and one looks like it was a three yard pass I'm not sure of the value in such statistics. What we really need is his xA.  

[Alex 37286]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

This is where we need Fish.  What defines a chance?  A shot from 25 yeards where it goes in row Z, is that a chance?

Well he cut inside, beat a couple of players and had a shot from the edge of the box. De Gea comfortably saved it as he didn’t hit it quite right. But even then you’re probably looking at a wonder strike for it to end up as a goal. But presumably that was a ‘chance created’ looking at that graphic. 

[trophyshy 7484]

Hi xAG is 3.4, which has him third in the team. Trips 8.5(!) and Willock 4.0.

 

https://fbref.com/en/squads/b2b47a98/Newcastle-United-Stats

 

He has the highest assists per 90 minutes at the club.  0.39

Edited April 4, 2023 by trophyshy

[Alex 37286]

5 minutes ago, trophyshy said:

Hi xAG is 3.4, which has him third in the team. Trips 8.5(!) and Willock 4.0.

 

https://fbref.com/en/squads/b2b47a98/Newcastle-United-Stats

 

He has the highest assists per 90 minutes at the club.  0.39

Only 8th for npxG+xAG though. Whatever the cunting fuck that is 

[trophyshy 7484]

xAG leader per 90 is Anderson.

 

Fuck me I am down the rabbit hole now.  THANKS FISH!

[Dr Gloom 23962]

36 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

This is where we need Fish.  

[ackas 311]

33 minutes ago, Alex said:

Well he cut inside, beat a couple of players and had a shot from the edge of the box. De Gea comfortably saved it as he didn’t hit it quite right. But even then you’re probably looking at a wonder strike for it to end up as a goal. But presumably that was a ‘chance created’ looking at that graphic. 

 

If its the one I remember, then it had an xG value of 0.03

 

https://understat.com/match/18489

 

 

[Dr Gloom 23962]

The chance he created for willock should have resulted in a goal. The long staff  one too, I think he set up. That’s a goal if it’s a few inches the other side of the bar 

[Dr Gloom 23962]

It is remarkable how much grief ASM gets compared to other players as he compares favourably when you look at his stats. I think it’s because we can all see what kind of player he could be if he found some consistency which makes him so frustrating and divisive. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Dr Gloom

[trophyshy 7484]

9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

The chance he created for willock should have resulted in a goal. The long staff  one too, I think he set up. That’s a goal if it’s a few inches the other side of the bar 

 

Agreed, if it had gone into the goal then it would have been a goal.

[Meenzer 16618]

I think you'll find it would have had an xNetBulge of 1.0

[wykikitoon 23321]

9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

It is remarkable how much grief ASM gets compared to other players as he compares favourably when you look at his stats. I think it’s because we can all see what kind of player he could be if he found some consistency which makes him so frustrating and divisive. 

My frustration and pain comes historically from the fact he would go into a blind alley, lose the ball and blame others.  Wouldn't track back and generally sulk like a cunt.

 

He started the season well, like he was taking on board what Howe wanted him.  He then got this shit injury.  Since then we have done well without him.  He's come back and on Sunday played very well.  

 

Willock and Longy missed great chances and got grief rightly for it.  But historically they graft and that's why, IMO, they get an easier time.  They're not Teflon from some that ASM seems to be.  Look on Twitter and the people that stand up for him when he's utter dross just because he may go past 3 players and create a possible chance is mad.

[ewerk 33649]

3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

My frustration and pain comes historically from the fact he would go into a blind alley, lose the ball and blame others.  Wouldn't track back and generally sulk like a cunt.

 

He started the season well, like he was taking on board what Howe wanted him.  He then got this shit injury.  Since then we have done well without him.  He's come back and on Sunday played very well.  

 

Willock and Longy missed great chances and got grief rightly for it.  But historically they graft and that's why, IMO, they get an easier time.  They're not Teflon from some that ASM seems to be.  Look on Twitter and the people that stand up for him when he's utter dross just because he may go past 3 players and create a possible chance is mad.

 

For Willock's goal on Sunday he lost the ball twice in the build up but he also won it back twice. There's definitely been an attitude change for the better. Whether it's enough remains to be seen.

[Gemmill 51206]

I think we're all forgetting the slide-by tackle that he executed after he'd lost the ball to someone in the second half, which was tremendous.

 

If you'd got a camera alongside that I'm convinced you'd have got a freeze frame of him turned to the side and doing the finger guns at it.

[Dr Gloom 23962]

16 minutes ago, trophyshy said:

 

Agreed, if it had gone into the goal then it would have been a goal.

[wykikitoon 23321]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

For Willock's goal on Sunday he lost the ball twice in the build up but he also won it back twice. There's definitely been an attitude change for the better. Whether it's enough remains to be seen.

 

Without doubt.  But IMO he's gone.  This may also surprise you, but I think we cash in and spend elsewhere  

[PaddockLad 19327]

3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Without doubt.  But IMO he's gone.  This may also surprise you, but I think we cash in and spend elsewhere  

Think you’re right but he’s possibly on trial.. at the end of the season it’ll be a cost/benefit analysis….did he do enough or will the FFP factor mean the club can do more with his transfer fee and wages?… 🤔

[Alex 37286]

34 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

The chance he created for willock should have resulted in a goal. The long staff  one too, I think he set up. That’s a goal if it’s a few inches the other side of the bar 

Yeah. Like I say it’s not a reflection on his performance but as a stat i don’t think it’s very reliable 

[Howmanheyman 37144]

He's one of the players we would probably let go purely based on a good transfer fee until the money starts flowing in, we can't have a squad the size of Chelsea's or forest nor should we really want one, a transfer fee helps a more high priority position and could make the difference between buying three players to two players for example, happy to keep him if the pennies dropped, I think it has, but even then he's a bit erratic. Unfortunately you can't just collect footballers so if we want to buy, we're going to have to sell as well to generate the income and save on wages and it'll be more likely that someone will pay decent money for him than Hayden, Hendrick, Fraser etc.

[The Fish 11344]

The "6 chances created" is simply that 6 of his passes lead to a shot. 

 

His xA was 1.2, which is very, very good. He had Dalot on toast, but also contributed to the defensive side of things. His decision making was much better, but he still drove inside too often, for my liking. I'm convinced he could have gone wide, dragging at least Dalot with him, leaving fewer defenders in their box.

 

It was a very good display in a game of very good displays. 

 

He, like Longstaff, are players who will likely be moved on or pushed further down the pecking order if we get Champions League football. But he's an attacking threat in more games than he isn't, and he's adding more to his game with every fixture. No, he'll not be dancing through 4 defenders to score a Ben Arfa, because we don't play that way any more. Even in this game, he had several opportunities where once he'd shoot, but instead he chose the higher value pass. Several of those passes could have resulted in a goal, all of them were more likely to result in a goal than him taking the shot. 

 

I like him and there are few players in the league that are more likely to get you out of your seat as frequently as he is. I'll love him until long after he leaves, and I'll defend him til he's dead.

[Gemmill 51206]

7 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 I'll love him until long after he leaves, and I'll defend him til he's dead.

 

[Dr Gloom 23962]

He also put a perfect ball on to Longstaff’s head, which was put wide. I think Longstaff would have been marginally offside anyway but I liked how he went on the outside occasionally and put it in on his left for once 

[PaddockLad 19327]

10 minutes ago, The Fish said:

The "6 chances created" is simply that 6 of his passes lead to a shot. 

 

His xA was 1.2, which is very, very good. He had Dalot on toast, but also contributed to the defensive side of things. His decision making was much better, but he still drove inside too often, for my liking. I'm convinced he could have gone wide, dragging at least Dalot with him, leaving fewer defenders in their box.

 

It was a very good display in a game of very good displays. 

 

He, like Longstaff, are players who will likely be moved on or pushed further down the pecking order if we get Champions League football. But he's an attacking threat in more games than he isn't, and he's adding more to his game with every fixture. No, he'll not be dancing through 4 defenders to score a Ben Arfa, because we don't play that way any more. Even in this game, he had several opportunities where once he'd shoot, but instead he chose the higher value pass. Several of those passes could have resulted in a goal, all of them were more likely to result in a goal than him taking the shot. 

 

I like him and there are few players in the league that are more likely to get you out of your seat as frequently as he is. I'll love him until long after he leaves, and I'll defend him til he's dead.

Wooooah there spreadsheet dude, what is this xA of which you speak?? 🤔😧

[Dr Gloom 23962]

41 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Think you’re right but he’s possibly on trial.. at the end of the season it’ll be a cost/benefit analysis….did he do enough or will the FFP factor mean the club can do more with his transfer fee and wages?… 🤔

i think we could get £30-40m for him, if we’re lucky, which isn’t loads in today’s market and his wages probably aren’t anywhere near as big as it would take to get someone like Diaby in. 

[trophyshy 7484]

13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

He also put a perfect ball on to Longstaff’s head, which was put wide. I think Longstaff would have been marginally offside anyway but I liked how he went on the outside occasionally and put it in on his left for once 

If he’d been a few inches further back, he’d have been onside.