Joelinton

[Dr Gloom 22149]

What a player. I love his lack of ego. Put him anywhere on the pitch and he’ll still bust a gut for you. Credit Howe for switching him and Gordon today as we looked even more threatening. Could he be the short term answer to the right wing conundrum? 

[Howmanheyman 33845]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

What a player. I love his lack of ego. Put him anywhere on the pitch and he’ll still bust a gut for you. Credit Bruce for switching him and Gordon today as we looked even more threatening. Could he be the short term answer to the right wing conundrum? 

 

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[ohhh_yeah 2991]

 

   

 

 

[Holden McGroin 6783]

10 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

What a player. I love his lack of ego. Put him anywhere on the pitch and he’ll still bust a gut for you. Credit Howe for switching him and Gordon today as we looked even more threatening. Could he be the short term answer to the right wing conundrum? 

 

I think we was humbled when he first came here. He looked a poor player under Bruce and out of position a lot of the time. He'd run through a brick wall for Howe.

[Renton 22001]

5 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

He'd run through a brick wall for Howe.

 

Wall meets Big Joe.

 

[Dazzler 10378]

10 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

I think we was humbled when he first came here. He looked a poor player under Bruce and out of position a lot of the time. He'd run through a brick wall for Howe.

Thoughts and prayers going out to the family of the wall at this difficult time.

[Dougle 3391]

10 hours ago, ohhh_yeah said:

 

   

 

 

 

What a Bloke and WHAT a goal.

[Chaser 1255]

I think most of us could go back into our posts and see how much criticism we gave him when he came. It must be have been a sliding doors moment for him when EH came in. His value and profile has rocketed ever since due to his application and ability. He could have left here an abject failure. Hope we see his best years at SJP.

[Monkeys Fist 43067]

I can’t find it now, but I’m 100% that Joe sought out and paid for extra fitness and technical training personally whilst The Cabbage was here, as he wasn’t getting any from The Cunt. 
 

The club and fans were a pretty toxic combo for any new player to deal with in Bruce’s time, but I can’t recall him ever speaking out in his own defence either, even when he was getting absolute pelters. 

 

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that really does speak volumes about him. 

 

edit; I’d probably say the he’s up there amongst my all-time favourite players. 
 

If he’d shown just enough improvement under Howe to justify his retention in the squad, and tapped in a few easy shots, he’d still be regarded as a player who’d been “Howed”, as he was so poorly regarded previously. 
 

To turn in to this fucking International standard midfield monster that makes opponents visibly wilt, and in such a relatively short time, puts him in my legendary book. 

 

[The Fish 10965]

19 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I can’t find it now, but I’m 100% that Joe sought out and paid for extra fitness and technical training personally whilst The Cabbage was here, as he wasn’t getting any from The Cunt. 
 

The club and fans were a pretty toxic combo for any new player to deal with in Bruce’s time, but I can’t recall him ever speaking out in his own defence either, even when he was getting absolute pelters. 

 

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that really does speak volumes about him. 

 

edit; I’d probably say the he’s up there amongst my all-time favourite players. 
 

If he’d shown just enough improvement under Howe to justify his retention in the squad, and tapped in a few easy shots, he’d still be regarded as a player who’d been “Howed”, as he was so poorly regarded previously. 
 

To turn in to this fucking International standard midfield monster that makes opponents visibly wilt, and in such a relatively short time, puts him in my legendary book. 

 

He did, with a group called Outlier FC ( I think). 

 

 

 

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Joelinton’s rebirth may have become more perceptible under Eddie Howe, but the roots of his Newcastle United awakening can be traced back to March.

“Joelinton came to us and said, ‘I want to improve, to give more of myself to this club’,” says Diego Vieira, the founder of the Outlier FC agency. “He was already working so hard but needed some fresh eyes to look at what he was doing and show what he could bring to the team.”

It was not only Newcastle’s late-season revival that emerged from the March international break, but also Joelinton’s relaunch. The forward asked his advisors at ROGON, the agency that represents him, whether there were untapped resources he could mine in his desperate quest to rid himself of the “£40 million flop” tag.

They proposed sessions with Outlier FC, a Brazil-based agency whose professional analysts produce dedicated “dossiers” that are relayed to individuals through detailed reports and video reels.

 

“This is all part of Joe’s career plan,” says a source close to the player. “He’s enthusiastic about this technical improvement project and what it can bring to Newcastle.”

These regular Zoom tutorials complement the primary training and analysis provided by Joelinton’s Newcastle coaches, and they are specifically tailored to what the head coach is demanding of the Brazilian. They have altered significantly from the Steve Bruce days, with Howe keen to make Joelinton more of an influential member of the XI.

“When Eddie Howe arrived, we pressed the reset button. We watched Bournemouth clips and received valuable feedback from Joelinton on what Howe expected of him,” says Vieira, who provided the Newcastle forward with two in-depth reports during the October international break on the head coach.

“What was clear was that Joelinton would be perfectly suited to Howe’s style. He’s capable of pressing at a very intense level, maintaining possession and has strength driving forward with the ball, which are all things Howe likes. Joelinton has already seen that himself from his conversations with the manager. Joelinton has it very clear in his mind what Howe wants from him. He is getting detailed instructions and is benefitting from that.”

Certainly, Joelinton has shown more genuine promise during Howe’s first month in charge than he did during his entire first two seasons on Tyneside. What Joelinton has craved is a specified role and a head coach who will work on developing him.

Those who had worked with Howe previously always insisted he would value Joelinton. One even described Joelinton as being “the ideal profile for an Eddie Howe team”, citing statistical and stylistic similarities with players the head coach signed at Bournemouth, such as Dominic Solanke and Arnaut Danjuma.

Howe is believed to have referenced Joelinton during his interviews for the Newcastle job, naming the Brazilian as one of the biggest underperformers. This was of particular interest to Newcastle’s owners, given that during the 18 months before the takeover was completed, Joelinton’s status, position and future are understood to have been discussed over video conferences with the consortium’s football advisors.

 

During his first fortnight at Newcastle, Howe was struck by Joelinton’s physicality, technical ability and pressing intelligence. Julian Nagelsmann, the Bayern Munich head coach who worked with Joelinton at Hoffenheim, described the Brazilian as “an animal” and “a machine”, and Howe has been similarly stirred.

Now 25, and with three and a half years remaining on the six-year deal he signed in 2019, Joelinton is determined to prove himself on Tyneside. Sources close to the forward insist he has “no regrets” about joining Newcastle and that he “will achieve more”.

“This is exactly what Joe has needed,” says a coach who previously worked with the forward. “Someone to show him what he wants, then I promise you, he’ll work so hard to do that.”

The sample size under Howe is far too small to draw definitive conclusions but positive signs are there. Shifting perceptions perhaps help, too.

Joelinton originally wore the No 9 shirt, a number associated with goals anywhere, especially on Tyneside. But he has never been prolific, scoring 32 goals in four seasons before joining. He managed six goals in 69 league appearances during his first two years at Newcastle.

The level of expectation weighed heavily. There were 301 days, 2,130 playing minutes and 39 shots between Joelinton’s first and second league goals for Newcastle, and, until Callum Wilson arrived last year, there was an unrealistic goalscoring burden bestowed upon the Brazilian.

Alan Shearer, Newcastle’s record marksman, even said Joelinton had been “royally shafted” and the forward appears far more comfortable with the No 7 on his back.

Rather than “label him” as a “striker” or a “winger”, Howe sees Joelinton as a versatile forward who can be pivotal in evolving Newcastle’s approach.

“He can play in different areas,” Howe said. “He’s got a very high technical level, great work ethic, great physicality and can score goals. Put that mix together and you’ve got an outstanding individual that will only get better.”

Already, Joelinton has played as the right-sided forward in a 3-4-3 against Brentford (pictured below) and as a second-striker in a 4-4-1-1 at Arsenal.

Then, he was supposed to be the No 10 in a 4-2-3-1 against Norwich City, but instead, put in a man-of-the-match performance as a No 8 in a 4-3-2 once Ciaran Clark was dismissed after just nine minutes. Joelinton’s average position against Norwich is shown below, as the No 7.

“His very high level of technical ability suits us coming deeper into the pitch,” Howe said. “He has adaptable qualities and a high level of tactical understanding. That’s going to serve us very well because he can do it in different positions.”

It became evident last season that Joelinton benefits from having support up front. When he played alongside Wilson in a two, Joelinton was far more effective, and so seeing him fielded as a lone centre-forward again appears unlikely. Instead, Howe will use Joelinton in the wider and deeper forward positions.

During his final season in Germany (2018-19), Joelinton made 25 Bundesliga starts for Hoffenheim — 19 were as a centre-forward, three were as a No 10 and three were out wide.

So, Joelinton played the majority of his games through the middle, but only once was he used as a lone striker. More often than not, he was accompanied by either Andrej Kramaric or Ishak Belfodil in a front two or three, meaning he was rarely isolated and they could interchange. At Newcastle, during Joelinton’s first season, he cut a solitary figure up top.

“The key was that our forwards would interchange and work together up front,” said Lutz Pfannenstiel, who helped sign Joelinton as Hoffenheim’s head of scouting. “Joelinton is versatile and he needs versatile players around him so he’s not isolated.”

Using smarterscout data, the pizza chart below shows Joelinton carried the ball often for Hoffenheim (a rating of 73 out of 99 for carry & dribble volume), and he also linked play and contributed with progressive passes — which consider the volume of passes that moved the ball 10 metres or more towards the opposition goal (42 out of 99 for progressive passing, 63 out of 99 for link-up play volume). Together, these stats show he was partially valued for his technical attributes.

At Newcastle, his best moments have also come when running from deep, using his power to advance past defenders rather than when receiving possession facing away from goal.

Under Bruce, Newcastle were also one of the Premier League’s most passive teams without the ball, which is not how Joelinton was used to playing at Hoffenheim. He appears liberated by Howe’s keenness for Newcastle to win possession back higher up the field.

Sources indicate that Howe quickly spotted Joelinton’s propensity for carrying out a pressing game. He is physically and mentally suited to this style. He is seen by some around the club as “one of the leaders of the press”.

Pfannenstiel recalls Nagelsmann noticing Joelinton’s “special kind of understanding of what the forwards must do in the pressing wave and when to trigger the press” during a pre-season training camp in Austria in 2018. From that point on, Nagelsmann incorporated Joelinton into his flexible front three.

Against Norwich City, Joelinton recorded more pressures (29) than any other player. A “pressure” is defined as closing down an opposing player “who is receiving, carrying or releasing the ball”, according to data website FBref.

Interestingly, Joelinton attempted 20 pressures against Brentford as a right-sided forward in a 3-4-3. But 12 of those 20 (60 per cent) were in the attacking third, the first time more than half have been that high upfield this season. The other eight were in the “middle third”, showing how advanced he was.

 

At Hoffenheim in 2018-19, Joelinton averaged 19.8 pressures a game, similar to at Newcastle overall (19.1), but 8.7 of those were in the attacking third (43.9 per cent) and 17.9 were in the middle or attacking third (90.3 per cent). At Newcastle, just 31.3 per cent have been in attacking third, and 80.8 per cent in middle or attacking third. On the evidence of the Brentford match, Joelinton can expect to press higher up the pitch, especially in home games, just as he did in Germany.

Even before Howe arrived, Joelinton had been working tirelessly to improve. Some at Newcastle have doubted whether the Brazilian would ever start producing regularly but given his on-field struggles, no one has questioned his commitment. He is popular among the squad and is well-liked around the training ground. “Nobody is more pleased for big Joe than the rest of the lads,” says a source close to the dressing room.

Over the past nine months, he has employed a fitness coach, Felipe Lira, and has been poring over clips with Outlier FC’s analysts.

“Joelinton’s mind has been opened and he absorbs information so quickly,” says Vieira. “He’s found the past two years frustrating. He’s tried so hard but it just hasn’t happened. He is determined to make the most of this chance.”

Club sources also cite Joelinton’s “adjustment” to Tyneside life as contributing to his more-assured demeanour. It is why The Athletic wrote in August that many inside the club felt that fans would see a “different Joelinton” this season.

Not only has his English improved, but his family — his girlfriend, Thays Gondim, and two children, Neto, four, and Julia, one — are also now with him in the north east. Before, he was alone.

“I’ve never heard him say he is unhappy at Newcastle,” says Vieira. “It took him a little bit of time to adapt. He came from a team where he was getting more touches, not as deep, but now the style is changing. He likes the city, the club and he wants to be a big part of its future and believes he can be.”

Against Brentford, Joelinton was excellent — as well as pressing high, he enjoyed more touches than normal, he was Newcastle’s creative force and he also managed four shots on goal. He registered an expected goals (xG) of 0.22, nearly double his season average. His touch map from that match illustrates his all-action display.

His goal was also well-taken on his left foot, but he wasted a chance to win the match when he cut inside in the area before slipping at the crucial moment. Finishing, particularly when he has time to set himself, remains Joelinton’s key weakness, which is why he only has one for the season.

“He was very happy to score but he knows there is room for improvement,” Vieira says. “Importantly, he wants more. He said, ‘This can’t be a one-off, I need to repeat this 10 or 15 times’.”

That sentiment will please Howe, who insists Joelinton “can continue to improve” under his tutelage. In Howe’s opinion, “Joelinton can be whatever he wants to be”.

“He’s an extremely intelligent player and so adaptable,” says the coach who used to work with him. “Given specific jobs and specific roles, he can carry them out. That is why managers love him.”

Joelinton still does not look anything like a £40 million centre-forward, but, then again, he never was one. Howe recognises that and, hopefully, he can finally ensure Newcastle best accentuate the Brazilian’s unique skill set.

 

[Holden McGroin 6783]

One of the commentators on Sunday tried to liken him to any other player in the world but failed. He is unique..

[Meenzer 15718]

"What Joelinton has craved is a specified role and a head coach who will work on developing him."

[wykikitoon 20732]

On 23/07/2019 at 22:12, ewerk said:

Gonna be shite tbh.

[Gemmill 46030]

The clip just got flipped. CLIPBOARD DOWN! 

[ewerk 31202]

On 24/07/2019 at 13:50, ewerk said:

'Prospect' being the problem when coupled with Steve Bruce as manager. If Rafa had still been in charge I could see a path to development that I just don't see happening under bagpuss.

 

Nailed it tbh.  

[PaddockLad 17654]

This was possibly his lowest point. No one played well but he was singled out by some utter fuckin cunts in the crowd led by that fuckin oxygen thief in the daft wig that looks like a recently road-killed family pet, he’s often also shirtless for maximum attention harvesting. They were fucking howling at him that day. I honestly thought he’d never play for us again… 

 

 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3973]

I mean playing devil’s advocate I personally saw him trip over his own feet more than once and of course that shot which smacked into his own face. The turnaround since Howe is unprecedented.

[ewerk 31202]

7 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

This was possibly his lowest point. No one played well but he was singled out by some utter fuckin cunts in the crowd led by that fuckin oxygen thief in the daft wig that looks like a recently road-killed family pet, he’s often also shirtless for maximum attention harvesting. They were fucking howling at him that day. I honestly thought he’d never play for us again… 

 

 

 

Nah, this was his lowest point.

 

[Gemmill 46030]

38 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

This was possibly his lowest point. No one played well but he was singled out by some utter fuckin cunts in the crowd led by that fuckin oxygen thief in the daft wig that looks like a recently road-killed family pet, he’s often also shirtless for maximum attention harvesting. They were fucking howling at him that day. I honestly thought he’d never play for us again… 

 

 

 

 

The mullet wig kid? 

[Alex 35583]

2 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I can’t find it now, but I’m 100% that Joe sought out and paid for extra fitness and technical training personally whilst The Cabbage was here, as he wasn’t getting any from The Cunt. 
 

The club and fans were a pretty toxic combo for any new player to deal with in Bruce’s time, but I can’t recall him ever speaking out in his own defence either, even when he was getting absolute pelters. 

 

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that really does speak volumes about him. 

 

edit; I’d probably say the he’s up there amongst my all-time favourite players. 
 

If he’d shown just enough improvement under Howe to justify his retention in the squad, and tapped in a few easy shots, he’d still be regarded as a player who’d been “Howed”, as he was so poorly regarded previously. 
 

To turn in to this fucking International standard midfield monster that makes opponents visibly wilt, and in such a relatively short time, puts him in my legendary book. 

 

That and he took SMB good and proper 

[PaddockLad 17654]

30 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

The mullet wig kid? 

Yeah that’s the cunt 

[Kid Dynamite 7170]

17 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Yeah that’s the cunt 

Scud?

[PaddockLad 17654]

5 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Scud?

Naa scuds ok. This cunt has a rodent on his head 

[ewerk 31202]

The Geordie James Cordon.

[Alex 35583]

Is he the one who was photographed shaking hands with the mackem who is a fellow member of the Tommy Robinson fan club?