West Ham vs Newcastle

[The Fish 10963]

13 hours ago, trooper said:

We keep getting sucked back in to the relegation fight. We don't seem to be able to put clear water between us.

Admittedly we're 6 points from the bottom 3

 

 fucking hell man.

 

Beaten by the better side yesterday. They defended well, (9 blocks!), and we couldn't get a grip on the midfield. They were both diving shits and dirty cunts, but the penalty was the correct call, as was the freekick that lead to it. So it's not like we were cheated of points or owt. 

Defensively really poor and especially Manquillo and Schar on the right hand side. That right flank is definitely being targeted by opposition managers, which is surprising when we've got a right winger who's a bit of a madhead playing left wing back.

 

Meh, we're safe, got a fairly soft run in and an away day to Craven Cottage to enjoy on the final day.

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

Very well summed up. Not so sure about us being safe though. 

[Howmanheyman 33827]

Two wins out of nine would probably have us safe. Are Cardiff going to win four and overturn our goal difference? Tbh I'd hope for maybe three wins and a few draws. We'll be alright.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

21 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Perez needs 5 chances for every goal ffs

 

Mitrovic, who you defend, has scored 1 goal per 9.5 shots this season. Just sayin'

 

Edit: Perez's actual conversion is 1 goal per 8 shots

Edited March 3, 2019 by TheGingerQuiff

[Dr Gloom 22143]

3 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Mitrovic, who you defend, has scored 1 goal per 9.5 shots this season. Just sayin'

 

Edit: Perez's actual conversion is 1 goal per 8 shots

Love stats like that. Where’s it from? I’d like to compare that against other premier league strikers 

Edited March 3, 2019 by Dr Gloom

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Love stays like that Where’s it from? I’d like to compare that against other premier league strikers 

 

I used whoscored.com multipled their games played by shots per game and divided by no of goals. Probably an easier way though 

[Kid Dynamite 7169]

18 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Mitrovic, who you defend, has scored 1 goal per 9.5 shots this season. Just sayin'

 

Edit: Perez's actual conversion is 1 goal per 8 shots

 

You and Alex have your own little anti-Mitrovic support group going on. Just sayin' 

 

Doesn't change the fact that Perez spends more time shanking chances and feigning injury than he does contributing to our attack

[Alex 35570]

It’s the group of people who rate him which is (unsurprisingly) small tbh

[Kid Dynamite 7169]

It's apples and oranges tbf. If they were both in the same starting XI, being fed balls by the same players then the stats would be comparable. Fulham are fucking woeful though and Mitrovic is feeding on scraps most games, balls launched at his head for 90mins. 

 

Although you already knew that

 

 

[Alex 35570]

You rated Steven Taylor, man  

[Kid Dynamite 7169]

In his early days at the club, 12 years ago, yes. Let it go man Alex, you're too old to be this bitter 

 

Just stick me on ignore if I annoy you that much

[ewerk 31195]

There are two types of people in this world: people who rate Mitrovic and people who know nothing about football.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

So Mitrovic is feeding on scraps but Perez hasn't been?  I thought your argument for Fulham being shit was that their defence was shit, and that it was ludicrous to blame the attack

[Alex 35570]

You love to kid on I hate you for some reason, J. Perhaps you think it makes you seem more interesting or something. 

I genuinely don’t see how people think Mitrovic and Rondon are the same. He’s like Rondon without the work rate or mobility. Neither are particularly good finishers but it’s obvious to me who gave our set up a better option. I don’t see the point about Fulham because it’s not like we’ve created loads of chances this season in many games. Prior to Almiron coming in I’d be surprised if we created more chances than Fulham. I actually liked Mitrovic at first and defended him and wanted him to do well but he just isn’t a good premier league centre forward imo. He’s probably another one of those players who look too good For the Championship but can’t cut it when they make the step up

[Alex 35570]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

There are two types of people in this world: people who rate Mitrovic and people who know nothing about football.

I’ll trust Rafa’s judgement over yours and Noelie’s  

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

The thing about J69 is he's in here defending Mitrovic who has admitted to leaving the club  because he didn't want Rafa telling him to be more mobile, and is calling Shelveys a lazy shit in another thread despite him actually responding positively to Benitez's coaching. He lost a stone in the summer after Benitez took over iirc 

[Alex 35570]

And Shelvey’s been 10x the player for NUFC

[ewerk 31195]

Can we not just agree that Mitrovic isn't the next Ronaldo. Neither is he dog shit. He wasn't a hard enough worker for Rafa's system but he is a decent goal scorer. Given the choice between having Mitro or Rondon in the team then the latter is the obvious choice.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Decent goal scorer with a worse conversion rate than Ayoze

[Alex 35570]

No

[Dr Gloom 22143]

Nitro will score goals but he’s the wrong player for Rafa’s system. Rondon a much better fit 

[PaddockLad 17643]

Don't think Rondon is much better than post Robson era Shola

 

 

 

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

Nitro will score goals but he’s the wrong player for Rafa’s system. Rondon a much better fit 

Perfectly summed up

[Alex 35570]

Two seasons, two relegations by the looks of it 

[David Kelly 1260]

If we'd tried again to play a formation to suit Mitrovic we would have been relegated this season too.  I don't necessarily subscribe to any theory that this makes him shite though.  He's just not good enough to cover a team that has a load of average players in it.  I think he could actually do ok for a mid level sort of premier league team.