Miguel Almiron

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

26 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Urgh... Jesus.

Goal threat ≠ Goal return

 

 

It's surely one of the most important stats we can use in forming an opinion

 

16 minutes ago, The Fish said:

It might do, you make a good point, but I guess I'm thinking that it'll probably be harder to score at the levels he has when he DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING BALL!

This claim is completely invalid as you completely ignore our possession percentage, amongst all the other variables. You are just cherry picking the stat the supports your position.

I thought you were more rigorous than that. Sad!

[The Fish 10849]

How is this still rumbling on. When ASM comes back, Almiron will get less of the ball. Not none of the ball, less of the ball. 

 

How is this contentious?

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

How is this still rumbling on. When ASM comes back, Almiron will get less of the ball. Not none of the ball, less of the ball. 

 

How is this contentious?

It's not contentious it's just completely unproven. Also completely ignores the areas where he does receive the ball, which might just impact on his goal threat

 

If you are going to make spurious claims at least put the work in

[Holden McGroin 6581]

Because its subjective.

[Holden McGroin 6581]

1 minute ago, spongebob toonpants said:

It's not contentious it's just completely unproven. Also completely ignores the areas where he does receive the ball, which might just impact on his goal threat

 

If you are going to make spurious claims at least put the work in

 

Don't mess with the stats.

[The Fish 10849]

Just now, spongebob toonpants said:

It's surely one of the most important stats we can use in forming an opinion

 

This claim is completely invalid as you completely ignore our possession percentage, amongst all the other variables. You are just cherry picking the stat the supports your position.

I thought you were more rigorous than that. Sad!

 

No, it shows he's performed well, not that he has usurped ASM as the most dangerous goal threat.

 

I've shown that, per 90, Almiron gets more touches, is the target of more passes, when ASM isn't playing. 

 

In terms of possession percentage. 

In terms of being a target of a pass

 

 

 

 

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

16 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

No, it shows he's performed well, not that he has usurped ASM as the most dangerous goal threat.

 

I've shown that, per 90, Almiron gets more touches, is the target of more passes, when ASM isn't playing. 

 

In terms of possession percentage. 

In terms of being a target of a pass

 

 

 

 

So both Almiron's 2nd highest percentage in both those charts came when ASM was playing. Interesting

[The Fish 10849]

1 minute ago, spongebob toonpants said:

So both Almiron's 2nd highest percentage in both those charts came when ASM was playing. Interesting

Why, in the world, would you cherry pick those two, instead of looking at the overall trend? Given, y'know, that's what we're talking about?

 

with ASM, Almiron averages 7.3% of the teams' touches, without it's 7.5%, leave out the Liverpool game and it's 8%.

with ASM, Almiron averages 9.8% as the team's passing target, without it's 9.7%, leave out Liverpool and it's 10.3%. 75% of ASM's games see him as the passing target one in ten times. Almiron is 25% with ASM, without it's 50%.

 

So, in summary. When ASM plays, Almiron has fewer touches and is the passing target less often. 

 

Right, now that we've cleared that up you can go ask someone else to explain shit.

[RobinRobin 11258]

[wykikitoon 20112]

Basically ASM has been our outlet and main focal point.

It is going to be interesting once ASM comes back.  I am sure he will become the focal point again.  Miggy is producing and it would be class if he can carry it on once ASM comes back as it gives opposition two areas where they have to be worried about.

[Holden McGroin 6581]

6 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Basically ASM has been our outlet and main focal point.

It is going to be interesting once ASM comes back.  I am sure he will become the focal point again.  Miggy is producing and it would be class if he can carry it on once ASM comes back as it gives opposition two areas where they have to be worried about.

 

Not possible Wykiki. The ball has to go to ASM every time.  

[Holden McGroin 6581]

I can just imagine Maxi's mother screeching on the sidelines: "Pass it to Allan, PASS IT TO ALLAN"

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

46 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Why, in the world, would you cherry pick those two, instead of looking at the overall trend? Given, y'know, that's what we're talking about?

 

with ASM, Almiron averages 7.3% of the teams' touches, without it's 7.5%, leave out the Liverpool game and it's 8%.

with ASM, Almiron averages 9.8% as the team's passing target, without it's 9.7%, leave out Liverpool and it's 10.3%. 75% of ASM's games see him as the passing target one in ten times. Almiron is 25% with ASM, without it's 50%.

 

So, in summary. When ASM plays, Almiron has fewer touches and is the passing target less often. 

 

Right, now that we've cleared that up you can go ask someone else to explain shit.

2 things to say. Sample size and correlation vs causality. 

[RobinRobin 11258]

32 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

I can just imagine Maxi's mother screeching on the sidelines: "Pass it to Allan, PASS IT TO ALLAN"

Is Fish really Maxi's mum? Never guessed

[ewerk 30544]

8 minutes ago, RobinRobin said:

Is Fish really Maxi's mum? Never guessed

 

It's where he got his penchant for wearing Gucci sweatbands.

[Gemmill 44804]

It is true that the Fish once turned up to the Trent in a do-rag. 

[Gemmill 44804]

Apparently it's spelled durag.

 

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

 

No, it shows he's performed well, not that he has usurped ASM as the most dangerous goal threat.

 

I've shown that, per 90, Almiron gets more touches, is the target of more passes, when ASM isn't playing. 

 

In terms of possession percentage. 

In terms of being a target of a pass

 

 

 

 

Ok @The Fish from those stats and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a stat guy like you. Almiron is the target of a pass 35.25 times a game  with ASM, and 35.75 without. Doesn't really seem that different, so maybe you should calm your skin

Edited October 25, 2022 by spongebob toonpants
Removed superfluous % sign. Not a stats guy

[Holden McGroin 6581]

23 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

It is true that the Fish once turned up to the Trent in a do-rag. 

 

Can't be true?

[The Fish 10849]

12 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Ok @The Fish from those stats and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a stat guy like you. Almiron is the target of a pass 35.25 times a game  with ASM, and 35.75 without. Doesn't really seem that different, so maybe you should calm your skin

 

You are wrong. With ASM in the team, Almiron is the target of a pass 35.25 times a game and 40.75 without, and again, if you disregard Liverpool it's closer to 45 times a game. That's a 27.7% increase.

 

 

[The Fish 10849]

25 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

It is true that the Fish once turned up to the Trent in a do-rag. 

It was a DFS

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

34 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

You are wrong. With ASM in the team, Almiron is the target of a pass 35.25 times a game and 40.75 without, and again, if you disregard Liverpool it's closer to 45 times a game. That's a 27.7% increase.

 

 

Well if you can disallow Liv I can disregard ManC which makes it 40 per game with ASM in the side.

Still think you are bending the stats to fit your narrative.

More to the point you are basing this on the stats for  ASM playing only 4 games,  one of which was ManC

 

[Holden McGroin 6581]

This is possibly the worst argument I've ever been involved in  (that includes the one I had with the mrs about vacuuming when we didn't speak for a week after).

 

 

[spongebob toonpants 3993]

9 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

This is possibly the worst argument I've ever been involved in  (that includes the one I had with the mrs about vacuuming when we didn't speak for a week after).

 

 

Fair enough I'll stop. I didn't even disagree with his point, just the lolstats to back it up.

Sorry @The Fish 

[The Fish 10849]

7 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Well if you can disallow Liv I can disregard ManC which makes it 40 per game with ASM in the side.

Still think you are bending the stats to fit your narrative.

More to the point you are basing this on the stats for  ASM playing only 4 games,  one of which was ManC

 

Well, if you really want I can go through last season, and discover further evidence that ASM has been the chief attacking outlet for Newcastle United since he joined. I can show that he's consistently received more of the ball, had more touches than Almiron has. But I think we both know that I'll provide that then you'll twist and moan and find another reason to disregard the evidence that backs up that which is self-evident.