Jimbo 175 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 One of the biggest things I find disappointing is that some posters are quicker to criticise Leazes Mag then they are to criticise these people: Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I've already said in this thread what I think re: the importance of freedom of speech, etc. as well as my distaste at the actual content of the cartoons. That aside, I can't help thinking the media has to take a lot of the blame on this one for stoking up the fires. When the cartoons were first released they were barely noticed (back in September) and the row only really took off in this country last week when Radio 5 had a text vote about whether or not the cartoons should be shown in this country. 90093[/snapback] Alex, from what I understand the problem started when a group of Danish Imams publicised the cartoons and actively stoked up fervour in the middle east. By the time it was reported here, it was already a significant international news event; I don't think the BBC bears any responsibility at all. Indeed the media here have refrained from publishing the cartoons. LM, you're problem has always been you see the world in black and white and only offer simplistic solutions that wouldn't work in the real world. Don't assume that because I agree that action needs to be taken against these protesters (and I mean action within the frame of both our own and international law) I agree with your viewpoints or I'm coming towards your point of view in any way. I'm not, the world according to Leazes is a frightening place imo. I have noticed that Rob's posts are increasingly making less sense however, to the extent I now have almost no idea what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 The "Suicide bomber" is now known to be a convicted drug dealer - a bit of a blow to the hot heads I would think - now if he is also a Liberal Democrat it'll all fizzle out I'd bet 90095[/snapback] You see, what's that supposed to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckypierre 0 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 The "Suicide bomber" is now known to be a convicted drug dealer - a bit of a blow to the hot heads I would think - now if he is also a Liberal Democrat it'll all fizzle out I'd bet 90095[/snapback] yeah the cartoons are an insult to Islam and people deserve to die over it but drug dealing is OK, he's a fine upstanding Muslim. Fuck off. Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I've already said in this thread what I think re: the importance of freedom of speech, etc. as well as my distaste at the actual content of the cartoons. That aside, I can't help thinking the media has to take a lot of the blame on this one for stoking up the fires. When the cartoons were first released they were barely noticed (back in September) and the row only really took off in this country last week when Radio 5 had a text vote about whether or not the cartoons should be shown in this country. 90093[/snapback] Alex, from what I understand the problem started when a group of Danish Imams publicised the cartoons and actively stoked up fervour in the middle east. By the time it was reported here, it was already a significant international news event; I don't think the BBC bears any responsibility at all. Indeed the media here have refrained from publishing the cartoons. 90100[/snapback] The Beeb actually did show the cartoons on the news initially then dropped them more out of fear of repraisal than out of respect though. I take your point about it already being an international event though. Incidentally, I haven't got a Scooby what point Rob's trying to make either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I've already said in this thread what I think re: the importance of freedom of speech, etc. as well as my distaste at the actual content of the cartoons. That aside, I can't help thinking the media has to take a lot of the blame on this one for stoking up the fires. When the cartoons were first released they were barely noticed (back in September) and the row only really took off in this country last week when Radio 5 had a text vote about whether or not the cartoons should be shown in this country. 90093[/snapback] Alex, from what I understand the problem started when a group of Danish Imams publicised the cartoons and actively stoked up fervour in the middle east. By the time it was reported here, it was already a significant international news event; I don't think the BBC bears any responsibility at all. Indeed the media here have refrained from publishing the cartoons. 90100[/snapback] The Beeb actually did show the cartoons on the news initially then dropped them more out of fear of repraisal than out of respect though. I take your point about it already being an international event though. Incidentally, I haven't got a Scooby what point Rob's trying to make either. 90107[/snapback] The first time I saw it was from a link provided by you. Death to Alex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I'll let that pass in the interests of freedom of speech ;() Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 (edited) The "Suicide bomber" is now known to be a convicted drug dealer - a bit of a blow to the hot heads I would think - now if he is also a Liberal Democrat it'll all fizzle out I'd bet 90095[/snapback] You see, what's that supposed to mean? 90101[/snapback] To spell it out for you Muslims will be embarrased by one of their temporary "hero's" being found out to be a convicted drug dealer - wouldn't you be? People will not wish to be associated with such people.............. simple really Edited February 7, 2006 by Rob W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 "Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for?" nothing at all - he should tell them to grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 The "Suicide bomber" is now known to be a convicted drug dealer - a bit of a blow to the hot heads I would think - now if he is also a Liberal Democrat it'll all fizzle out I'd bet 90095[/snapback] You see, what's that supposed to mean? 90101[/snapback] To spell it out for you Muslims will be embarrased by one of their temporary "hero's" being found out to be a convicted drug dealer - wouldn't you be? People will not wish to be associated with such people.............. simple really 90111[/snapback] Well, it's certainly more straightforward when you explain it, initially it didn't make much sense though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 "Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for?" nothing at all - he should tell them to grow up 90112[/snapback] He shouldn't have to but he may well do in the interests of his country's economy, it's called diplomacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 The "Suicide bomber" is now known to be a convicted drug dealer - a bit of a blow to the hot heads I would think - now if he is also a Liberal Democrat it'll all fizzle out I'd bet 90095[/snapback] You see, what's that supposed to mean? 90101[/snapback] To spell it out for you Muslims will be embarrased by one of their temporary "hero's" being found out to be a convicted drug dealer - wouldn't you be? People will not wish to be associated with such people.............. simple really 90111[/snapback] He's obviously a prislam convert - British prisons are breeding grounds for muslim fundamentalism. Does islam not accept repentance? If so, I still don't see your point really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 "Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for?" nothing at all - he should tell them to grow up 90112[/snapback] He shouldn't have to but he may well do in the interests of his country's economy, it's called diplomacy. 90114[/snapback] A false aoplogy is worse than none at all. There's an important point at stake here, and I think he should stick by his guns (no pun intended), as should our politicians. Muslims have to realise that being offended is an intrinsic part of freedom, if they don't like it they should move to an islamic country. If he apologises, where does it end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 To spell it out for you Muslims will be embarrased by one of their temporary "hero's" being found out to be a convicted drug dealer - wouldn't you be? People will not wish to be associated with such people.............. simple really 90111[/snapback] Anyone you don't pour scorn on, Rob? 'Convicted drug dealer' describes a very broad spectrum, but I suspect you might know that if it supported your point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 "Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for?" nothing at all - he should tell them to grow up 90112[/snapback] He shouldn't have to but he may well do in the interests of his country's economy, it's called diplomacy. 90114[/snapback] A false aoplogy is worse than none at all. There's an important point at stake here, and I think he should stick by his guns (no pun intended), as should our politicians. Muslims have to realise that being offended is an intrinsic part of freedom, if they don't like it they should move to an islamic country. If he apologises, where does it end? 90118[/snapback] I'm saying he shouldn't have to, but economic realities dictate he may well choose to do so. I don't think he should either though, but that's not the way the world works, haven't you just had a go at Leazes for seeing everything in terms of black and white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 "Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for?" nothing at all - he should tell them to grow up 90112[/snapback] He shouldn't have to but he may well do in the interests of his country's economy, it's called diplomacy. 90114[/snapback] A false aoplogy is worse than none at all. There's an important point at stake here, and I think he should stick by his guns (no pun intended), as should our politicians. Muslims have to realise that being offended is an intrinsic part of freedom, if they don't like it they should move to an islamic country. If he apologises, where does it end? 90118[/snapback] I'm saying he shouldn't have to, but economic realities dictate he may well choose to do so. I don't think he should either though, but that's not the way the world works, haven't you just had a go at Leazes for seeing everything in terms of black and white? 90123[/snapback] I agree it's not black and white, I just personally think this stand is worth making whatever the consequences, to avoid a very dangerous precedent being set, if nothing else. It's a shame the Danish economy might suffer, but it's a price worth paying imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I agree it's not black and white, I just personally think this stand is worth making whatever the consequences, to avoid a very dangerous precedent being set, if nothing else. It's a shame the Danish economy might suffer, but it's a price worth paying imo. 90129[/snapback] That's easy to say when it will have absolutely zero impact on you though isn't it mate? I totally agree that the Danish PM shouldn't have to apologise and hope he doesn't, I can just envisage a scenario where he might choose to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I agree it's not black and white, I just personally think this stand is worth making whatever the consequences, to avoid a very dangerous precedent being set, if nothing else. It's a shame the Danish economy might suffer, but it's a price worth paying imo. 90129[/snapback] That's very brave of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15723 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Well sure, it's bad news for the Danes, but think of all those little piggies who get to run free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I agree it's not black and white, I just personally think this stand is worth making whatever the consequences, to avoid a very dangerous precedent being set, if nothing else. It's a shame the Danish economy might suffer, but it's a price worth paying imo. 90129[/snapback] That's very brave of you. 90131[/snapback] Thankyou. I know it's easy for me to say, it's easy to say anything when you're not involved personally, for instance advocate our soldiers go off to war in Iraq. But your point and Alex's is taken. I intend to show my solidarity by eating lots of Danish dairy pordicts though from now on. Mmmmmm, Danone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22003 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Well sure, it's bad news for the Danes, but think of all those little piggies who get to run free! 90135[/snapback] Deliberately being ironic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Well sure, it's bad news for the Danes, but think of all those little piggies who get to run free! 90135[/snapback] Can't see an Islamic boycott having too much impact on that industry tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15723 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 One (tempered by a ) out of two... I'll take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 (edited) "Caught the tail end of something on Richard and Judy yestrerday while I was flicking channels and the resident muslim spokesperson was still calling for the danish PM to apologise. Why? What on earth does he have to apologise for?" nothing at all - he should tell them to grow up 90112[/snapback] He shouldn't have to but he may well do in the interests of his country's economy, it's called diplomacy. 90114[/snapback] A false aoplogy is worse than none at all. There's an important point at stake here, and I think he should stick by his guns (no pun intended), as should our politicians. Muslims have to realise that being offended is an intrinsic part of freedom, if they don't like it they should move to an islamic country. If he apologises, where does it end? 90118[/snapback] these traits of muslims have been obvious to everyone since the death threat on Salman Rushdie, since then the spread of events such as the one which is the topic of this thread have increased alarmingly. To disagree is in fact burying you head MASSIVELY in the sand, and an apology will only fuel the fact they think that they have grounds for behaving the way they do. Edited February 7, 2006 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 One (tempered by a ) out of two... I'll take that. 90140[/snapback] Nothing for a winky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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