Happy Face 29 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Even screeners are pretty poor quality when you become accustomed to watching 720p or greater. Stuff like Rush, Gravity, Captain Philips and that are on XBMC in 720p with no downloads or torrents or owt. I'm forever in Gemmil's debt tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44931 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Aye I'm one of earth's greatest inhabitants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4389 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Aye I'm one of earth's greatest inhabitants. I think the stock phrase is "one of mankind's greatest benefactors" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Stuff like Rush, Gravity, Captain Philips and that are on XBMC in 720p with no downloads or torrents or owt. I'm forever in Gemmil's debt tbh. Through what plugin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Through what plugin? Icefilm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I take it I'm the only one who thinks this kind of piracy is wrong? What's the difference between this and theft from a shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It's a really tough one in my book - to be honest, I think the thing that's been proven with music is that if you make it available for a reasonable price, people will buy it rather than risk downloading it illegally. They still haven't got this set up properly with films IMO - You've got iTunes which is utterly awful (That condition that you need a specific kind of TV to download to a computer them stream up to the TV is utter bollocks - and I no longer use iTunes as a result - HDCP or something like that). iTunes is also extortionate though - I think Amazon will do it, I'd buy from them and they'd likely be cheaper than everyone else. Also, this is the people vs corporations - it's not like they don't screw us over at every opportunity. I'm generally ok with screwing corps over. Not that I download actually, but then I don't watch many films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30631 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 TBH if it wasn't available to download then I still wouldn't go to the cinema to see it so I'm not depriving them of my ticket money. I went to the cinema a few weeks ago for the first time in a year and sat through 30 minutes of adverts before the film even started, fuck that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Renton trying to make himself feel better about his kleptomania here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Only decent? I had really high hopes for it to be honest... not the kind of film I expected to enjoy, but I thought it'd be eye opening and unsettling. Boy do I love being unsettled. Edited January 10, 2014 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 So you don't download or stream anything? i couldn't care less tbh who downloads what, i buy plenty as my ridiculous dvd/blu-ray collection i'm struggling to figure out how to store will show, and annoyingly i still have to sit through that "you wouldn't steal a car" shite on them or at the cinema So what's the moral difference then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 TBH if it wasn't available to download then I still wouldn't go to the cinema to see it so I'm not depriving them of my ticket money. I went to the cinema a few weeks ago for the first time in a year and sat through 30 minutes of adverts before the film even started, fuck that. Maybe you wouldn't normally drink champagne, so it's ok to steal it. Stupid argument, as is using cinema adverts as some kind of justification. Do you share all your IP for free, I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4728 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I take it I'm the only one who thinks this kind of piracy is wrong? What's the difference between this and theft from a shop? Or streaming the match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 who said i wouldn't steal a car, or your email address and bank details to fund the server.... you don't download or stream anything then like the football? If you could steal stuff and to be sure to get away with it, would you? If not, why not? No to your question btw, I can see a difference there though in that it's literally not available elsewhere and sky can get fucked. Hollywood though? You ok with raising the cost for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4728 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It's a really tough one in my book - to be honest, I think the thing that's been proven with music is that if you make it available for a reasonable price, people will buy it rather than risk downloading it illegally. They still haven't got this set up properly with films IMO - You've got iTunes which is utterly awful (That condition that you need a specific kind of TV to download to a computer them stream up to the TV is utter bollocks - and I no longer use iTunes as a result - HDCP or something like that). iTunes is also extortionate though - I think Amazon will do it, I'd buy from them and they'd likely be cheaper than everyone else. Also, this is the people vs corporations - it's not like they don't screw us over at every opportunity. I'm generally ok with screwing corps over. Not that I download actually, but then I don't watch many films. Aye, if I could watch the latest stuff on TV instantly for a reasonable fee I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Or streaming the match? If you can buy it, you probably shouldn't steal it. Would you steal from a shop, if not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) So what's the moral difference then? I'd argue that there isn't a moral difference per se, but that morals that direct behaviour outside of being a decent person to those around you are artificially created to perpetuate subservience to our 'betters' in the absence of religion. It's not like the writers for movies get paid per sale. They barely get paid at all. The 'system' lost the moral high ground with the advent of DRM anyway. Edited January 10, 2014 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Aye, if I could watch the latest stuff on TV instantly for a reasonable fee I would. You decide what's reasonable to pay now, not the vendor? How would you have felt if someone had taken one of your sofas and left a tenner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4389 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 My view is I pay a hefty sum for Sky so downloading is just getting things a bit earlier - that's before I factor in things I buy on disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 No, not interested about making a thread about this, I've made my point and am completely unconvinced by the responses. Seems utterly wrong people are watching stolen films that are still in the cinema, just a bit surprised EVERYONE is ok with it, that's all. And yes Ant, I know how to stream a match. Not something I'm interested in doing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4728 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you can buy it, you probably shouldn't steal it. Would you steal from a shop, if not, why not? Let's not beat around the bush No one has 100% morals. Some have more than others and some just have stronger / weaker morals relating to different subjects. Most people don't steal from a shop because... 1. They don't want to get caught. 2. It's a physical item. A download or stream IMO is there in the air, I'm unlikely to be pulled and it's not a physical item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30631 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 No, not interested about making a thread about this, I've made my point and am completely unconvinced by the responses. Seems utterly wrong people are watching stolen films that are still in the cinema, just a bit surprised EVERYONE is ok with it, that's all. And yes Ant, I know how to stream a match. Not something I'm interested in doing though. Is it okay then to download films that are no longer in the cinema? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Let's not beat around the bush No one has 100% morals. Some have more than others and some just have stronger / weaker morals relating to different subjects. Most people don't steal from a shop because... 1. They don't want to get caught. 2. It's a physical item. A download or stream IMO is there in the air, I'm unlikely to be pulled and it's not a physical item. Good post and I largely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Is it okay then to download films that are no longer in the cinema? It feels like a lesser crime by virtue of value. But yes, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21635 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 No I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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