Renton 22001 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Why did you think the apartheid theme was done so badly? It was just too obvious imo - nothing wrong with making the point but the theme of "these things don't know any better" was just a bit over-played to the point where I just thought I'd ignore it and enjoy the action/swearing. The film was even set in South Africa ffs! I did enjoy on a certain level but that level was not much above the likes of Star Wars. Very silly really. As a Vietnam (and later Iraq) metaphor, Star Wars was probably more subtle, but I don't see why metaphor needs to be imperceptible to allow you to enjoy the film. "Only as good as Star Wars" is pretty high praise in the world of Sci-Fi though. I didn't say it was as good as Star Wars, I said I enjoyed it on the same level, i.e. fantastical nonsense (and overhyped). News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Why did you think the apartheid theme was done so badly? It was just too obvious imo - nothing wrong with making the point but the theme of "these things don't know any better" was just a bit over-played to the point where I just thought I'd ignore it and enjoy the action/swearing. The film was even set in South Africa ffs! I did enjoy on a certain level but that level was not much above the likes of Star Wars. Very silly really. As a Vietnam (and later Iraq) metaphor, Star Wars was probably more subtle, but I don't see why metaphor needs to be imperceptible to allow you to enjoy the film. "Only as good as Star Wars" is pretty high praise in the world of Sci-Fi though. I didn't say it was as good as Star Wars, I said I enjoyed it on the same level, i.e. fantastical nonsense (and overhyped). News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Perhaps it should have been set in Vietnam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Why did you think the apartheid theme was done so badly? It was just too obvious imo - nothing wrong with making the point but the theme of "these things don't know any better" was just a bit over-played to the point where I just thought I'd ignore it and enjoy the action/swearing. The film was even set in South Africa ffs! I did enjoy on a certain level but that level was not much above the likes of Star Wars. Very silly really. As a Vietnam (and later Iraq) metaphor, Star Wars was probably more subtle, but I don't see why metaphor needs to be imperceptible to allow you to enjoy the film. "Only as good as Star Wars" is pretty high praise in the world of Sci-Fi though. I didn't say it was as good as Star Wars, I said I enjoyed it on the same level, i.e. fantastical nonsense (and overhyped). News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Perhaps it should have been set in Vietnam Which in turn makes Avatar all the more breathless by doing what Star Wars didnt. No US accents for the rebels in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Star Wars is overrated like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22001 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Supposed to be heavily based on Akira Kurosawa's stuff as well. The Hidden Fortress in particular. Tbh though I think Lucas' comments are a bit like when I heard 'Face' on the radio years after the A-Team claiming it was all tongue-in-cheek rather than just shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Used to love it but if you see it now I think it's absolutely dreadful. I say that as someone who still thinks Knightrider is class as well. No fucking way were the bits in the A-Team where they got locked in shed with a load of oxy-acetelene wedling gear and a fork-lift truck and came out with an armoured truck some sort of parody of action shows either (which is what Face was claiming) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. I personally enjoy reading books of film criticism and re-interpretation and sites like Metaphilm, but I don't expect anyone else to. I thought both Star Wars and District 9 could be enjoyed simply as Sci Fi stories by people with no idea about vietnam or apartheid. And I have no problem with that. Seems they can't win with you though Rents. The allegory is either too glaring (District 9 is not politically subtle enough to be taken seriously) or too buried (Star Wars is too fluffy to be taken seriously). And you don't seem to place much stock in either approach. ...and Jar Jar Binks had to be a suitably idiotic, hateful individual since he's the puppet on a string, idiot manipulated into starting the whole clone war (that's Bush)......or not if you hold no truck with these kinds of interpretations Edited February 23, 2010 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Space Balls is the best of the franchise imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Space Balls is the best of the franchise imo. Love it when the sound effects fella out of Police Academy does the "hrm ryhm radar sir!" on his radio and Rick Moranis goes apeshit on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Space Balls is the best of the franchise imo. Love it when the sound effects fella out of Police Academy does the "hrm ryhm radar sir!" on his radio and Rick Moranis goes apeshit on him. Mel Brooks is great man. That's nowhere near his best film but it's quality nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Supposed to be heavily based on Akira Kurosawa's stuff as well. The Hidden Fortress in particular. Tbh though I think Lucas' comments are a bit like when I heard 'Face' on the radio years after the A-Team claiming it was all tongue-in-cheek rather than just shit. If you watched The Hidden Fortress expecting to see anything much resembling Star Wars you'd be sorely diappointed like. Both films tell their story from the point of view of two slaves who bicker with each other and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Supposed to be heavily based on Akira Kurosawa's stuff as well. The Hidden Fortress in particular. Tbh though I think Lucas' comments are a bit like when I heard 'Face' on the radio years after the A-Team claiming it was all tongue-in-cheek rather than just shit. If you watched The Hidden Fortress expecting to see anything much resembling Star Wars you'd be sorely diappointed like. Both films tell their story from the point of view of two slaves who bicker with each other and that's about it. I haven't got round to watching it but having seen a few of his other films I sort of expected it to be canny different Thinking back I read that Lucas got the idea for R2D2 / C3PO (i.e. the slaves you mention) and I think Princess Laia (sp?) from it but not a great deal in terms of how it looks and feels. Have you seen much Kurosawa like? Ran's next on the list for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Supposed to be heavily based on Akira Kurosawa's stuff as well. The Hidden Fortress in particular. Tbh though I think Lucas' comments are a bit like when I heard 'Face' on the radio years after the A-Team claiming it was all tongue-in-cheek rather than just shit. If you watched The Hidden Fortress expecting to see anything much resembling Star Wars you'd be sorely diappointed like. Both films tell their story from the point of view of two slaves who bicker with each other and that's about it. I haven't got round to watching it but having seen a few of his other films I sort of expected it to be canny different Thinking back I read that Lucas got the idea for R2D2 / C3PO (i.e. the slaves you mention) and I think Princess Laia (sp?) from it but not a great deal in terms of how it looks and feels. Have you seen much Kurosawa like? Ran's next on the list for me. I've seen most of Kurosawa's films. They work out to cost about £1.30 each if you order them from Hong Kong (I got them all from DDDhouse). My Japanese Rashomon poster takes pride of place on my wall. My favourite film of his. Ran is his version of King Lear. I thought it was coincidentally produced by George Lucas, but i was thinking of Kagemusha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Supposed to be heavily based on Akira Kurosawa's stuff as well. The Hidden Fortress in particular. Tbh though I think Lucas' comments are a bit like when I heard 'Face' on the radio years after the A-Team claiming it was all tongue-in-cheek rather than just shit. If you watched The Hidden Fortress expecting to see anything much resembling Star Wars you'd be sorely diappointed like. Both films tell their story from the point of view of two slaves who bicker with each other and that's about it. I haven't got round to watching it but having seen a few of his other films I sort of expected it to be canny different Thinking back I read that Lucas got the idea for R2D2 / C3PO (i.e. the slaves you mention) and I think Princess Laia (sp?) from it but not a great deal in terms of how it looks and feels. Have you seen much Kurosawa like? Ran's next on the list for me. I've seen most of Kurosawa's films. They work out to cost about £1.30 each if you order them from Hong Kong (I got them all from DDDhouse). My Japanese Rashomon poster takes pride of place on my wall. My favourite film of his. Ran is his version of King Lear. I thought it was coincidentally produced by George Lucas, but i was thinking of Kagemusha. Cheers, I might have to invest in a few. I've only seen Roshomon, Yojimbo and The Seven Samurai. I think Yojimbo's the best although I enjoyed all of them. Roshomon is bleak as owt but looks brilliant at the same time. In a similar vein, you might enjoy 'Sword of Doom'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 You'll be recommending me a book about how to understand films next. Lucas is full of shit anyway. Star Wars is a bog standard fairy story, end of. Anyone who created Jar Jar Binks can whistle if he wants any credibility. Supposed to be heavily based on Akira Kurosawa's stuff as well. The Hidden Fortress in particular. Tbh though I think Lucas' comments are a bit like when I heard 'Face' on the radio years after the A-Team claiming it was all tongue-in-cheek rather than just shit. If you watched The Hidden Fortress expecting to see anything much resembling Star Wars you'd be sorely diappointed like. Both films tell their story from the point of view of two slaves who bicker with each other and that's about it. I haven't got round to watching it but having seen a few of his other films I sort of expected it to be canny different Thinking back I read that Lucas got the idea for R2D2 / C3PO (i.e. the slaves you mention) and I think Princess Laia (sp?) from it but not a great deal in terms of how it looks and feels. Have you seen much Kurosawa like? Ran's next on the list for me. I've seen most of Kurosawa's films. They work out to cost about £1.30 each if you order them from Hong Kong (I got them all from DDDhouse). My Japanese Rashomon poster takes pride of place on my wall. My favourite film of his. Ran is his version of King Lear. I thought it was coincidentally produced by George Lucas, but i was thinking of Kagemusha. Cheers, I might have to invest in a few. I've only seen Roshomon, Yojimbo and The Seven Samurai. I think Yojimbo's the best although I enjoyed all of them. Roshomon is bleak as owt but looks brilliant at the same time. In a similar vein, you might enjoy 'Sword of Doom'. I'd recommend Sanjuro in that case. Not as good, but it's A Few Dollars More to Yojimbo's A Fistful of Dollars. Love Toshiro Mifune so I'll keep Sword of Doom in mind for when I've gotten through some of the hundred odd films on my shelf, ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I'll give it a go at some point. I think it's on my LoveFilm list anyway. And aye, Mifune's cool as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 Lucas is so full of shit... He'll also told you he had the ideas for all 9 Star Wars outlined back in the early 70's. Sure. Right. George was planning on having the force be this magical energy that would later then be explained with the whole midichlorian genetic horse shit. Yeah. He planned on making 3 movies about space battles and light sabers and then making 3 about some kind of convoluted trades description fuckup. Riiiiight. Same thing with LOST, tbh. Those boners want to act like they've always had an idea of where the story was heading ultimately, but it just ain't so. If it were, the writing and continuity would make a hell of a lot more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 Lucas is so full of shit... He'll also told you he had the ideas for all 9 Star Wars outlined back in the early 70's. Sure. Right. George was planning on having the force be this magical energy that would later then be explained with the whole midichlorian genetic horse shit. Yeah. He planned on making 3 movies about space battles and light sabers and then making 3 about some kind of convoluted trades description fuckup. Riiiiight. Same thing with LOST, tbh. Those boners want to act like they've always had an idea of where the story was heading ultimately, but it just ain't so. If it were, the writing and continuity would make a hell of a lot more sense. To be fair, A New Hope was called "Episode 4" when it was in it's first cinema run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Surely the inspiration for a story about how a Republic became an empire is Julius Caesar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Just ordered Kingdon of Heaven off Amazon for 34p + P&P like. Ment to be a good film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 News to me that Star Wars was some deep metaphor for Vietnam mind. Just so you know I'm not making it up... Lucas has explained. Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren't overthrown; they're given away." http://www.antiwar.com/horton/?articleid=6041 Lucas is so full of shit... He'll also told you he had the ideas for all 9 Star Wars outlined back in the early 70's. Sure. Right. George was planning on having the force be this magical energy that would later then be explained with the whole midichlorian genetic horse shit. Yeah. He planned on making 3 movies about space battles and light sabers and then making 3 about some kind of convoluted trades description fuckup. Riiiiight. Same thing with LOST, tbh. Those boners want to act like they've always had an idea of where the story was heading ultimately, but it just ain't so. If it were, the writing and continuity would make a hell of a lot more sense. To be fair, A New Hope was called "Episode 4" when it was in it's first cinema run. I'm aware. I hesitantly add to this debate the fact that my first tattoo was the Alliance symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Actually nerdlingers 'episode 4' was added later, it came out as Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Actually nerdlingers 'episode 4' was added later, it came out as Star Wars. I'm sure it was added pretty early in the original run though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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