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You go to the bow, I'll go to the stern, I'm so disgusted with you!

 

Fuck this I'm going to go and watch Donnie Brasco again!

 

 

I love the bloke, but he IS a schizophrenic Mr Man (Mr Shouty/Mr Quiet).

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You go to the bow, I'll go to the stern, I'm so disgusted with you!

 

Fuck this I'm going to go and watch Donnie Brasco again!

 

 

I love the bloke, but he IS a schizophrenic Mr Man (Mr Shouty/Mr Quiet).

 

Mr Act everyone else off the screen imo

 

"I don't know how the fuck you knew that ring was a fugasi"

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Goodfellas. For some reason i'd never seen this film, very good.

 

There Will Be Blood was mint, incidentally. :lol:

understatement of the century

 

and Luke, what do you mean by that?

 

I really rate this film as do many other widely respected critics. :lol:

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You go to the bow, I'll go to the stern, I'm so disgusted with you!

 

Fuck this I'm going to go and watch Donnie Brasco again!

 

 

I love the bloke, but he IS a schizophrenic Mr Man (Mr Shouty/Mr Quiet).

 

Mr Act everyone else off the screen imo

 

"I don't know how the fuck you knew that ring was a fugasi"

Pacino is one of the greatest actors ever but he does have a tendancy to go over the top (more and more as he's got older). Compare his performances in the likes of The Godfather, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, Glengarry Glenross, Insomnia to his roles in Heat or Scent Of A Woman. I'm still not saying he was anywhere near bad in those later films but I do feel he could have done with being reigned in more by the directors. Daniel Day Lewis I feel is similar in Gangs of New York and There Will Be Blood. Again not poor by any stretch, just not subtle.

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Goodfellas. For some reason i'd never seen this film, very good.

 

There Will Be Blood was mint, incidentally. :lol:

What about it did you think was mint? I don't feel the need for every film I watch to be a Die Hard type action film (Paris Texas is one of my favourite films and there is no action what so ever) but I just felt nothing really was going on at all and Day Lewis' character didn't really seem to evolve at all.

I was expecting so much from it too which is probably why I feel so let down by it.

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At the risk of incurring the wrath of the "just a film" brigade I'll just paste what I wrote (over several posts) on N-O.

 

Spoilers whited out...

 

It's an amazing film from the start, that builds and builds to one of the all time great endings.

 

As for the soundtrack, just look at the start of the film, a set of strings stretching one atonal note over a daunting shot of a mountain, that track is called Henry Plainview and it launches the first 20 minutes which are an introduction to that character, without a single identifiable word uttered.

 

For a film to hold your attention like this one does for that long, it has to have some pretty incredible sound design. I've not gone a day in weeks without giving the CD a listen (maybe that prepared me for watching the film). Whenever I put the soundtrack on, it only seems to last 10 minutes. Very little about the music should appeal, everything seems to jar, but it gives the entire film a feeling of unease, over those first 20 minutes it paints the picture of a monster, so that even though the images have shown you a hard working determined man, a man that's crawled on his belly to safety having broken his leg alone in the desert, a man that's taken on a dead man's child, even after all that, when he first opens his mouth, you instinctively don't trust him, despite his apparent admirable qualities you know he's as poisoned as Don Michael Corleone. Jonny Greenwood was robbed of an oscar on a technicality.

 

Bonk, Jonny and a few others have said the ending was a bit of a let down too.

 

I got more and more enthralled as it went on though, so I can't understand it.

 

Spoilers....

 

Originally the flash forward to 1927 was just outright hilarious. He's sat in his mansion shooting his own stuff like a fucked up Charles Foster Kane, when his 'son' comes to visit. He want's to go it alone, but Plainview is a black hole of a person who won't have it, he cannot abide competitors, and now this one person he likes to think he loves has become one he blows his stack. Then his brother by marriage arrives and that takes it up a notch. His viscious, cruel attacks on both are saddening and fantastically funny.

 

"This Makes you my competit-or", "I'd like to hear you speak instead of your little dog woof woof woof woof", "You're an O....O...an Orphan", Whistling at him "look at me! You're a Bastard!", "You're a bastard from a basket." Making Eli admit God is a superstition while slopping down his scran in retribution for the pipeline winning baptism, the milkshake analogy he follows it with, chasing him round the room and bashing his brains right the fuck in. It's awesome.

 

And that moment at the end where he just says "I'm finished" and the music crashes in to kick off the end credits, I was creaming myself.

 

Then I watched it a second time and realised the short scene between those 2 scenes is there for a reason. I don't know what it is, but I love wondering. Is it simply to show that he loved his boy? this memory of happier times takes him back to a time when he's playing with the boy. Maybe, but then he walks away from his 'son', and heads to what he really loves...the drill, the oil, the pipeline, the money.

 

Was that just a flashback, or was it his life flashing before his eyes before the moment of his death? The scene in the bowling alley is strangely stylised, Eli doesn't seemed to have aged much, why would he go to the man that previously swindled him to deal on the land for drilling? Before the scene there's a shot of Plainview descending steps (on his way to hell?) but stopping halfway before a cut to the scene. Is this what Plainview dreams of doing to Eli? It's the retribution he longs for because Eli made him admit that he abandoned his boy, and not only that, but that he didn't really have any remorse for it other than an amount which could get him his pipeline.

 

And that's without getting into any heavier stuff like big business crushing faith. The corrupt faces of business and religion both of which are selling a salvation that will NEVER come

 

I've rambled.... :lol:

 

I also like the comparisons with 2001 (which it holds up against imo) in this blog which I found today....

 

http://www.filmbrain.com/filmbrain/2007/12...-will-be-b.html

 

....another comparison with 2001 he missed in that blog though, is the shot where Plainview lifts his oil soaked hand towards the sun. Not only is it beautiful, it's reminiscent of the bone being thrown in 2001. That bone symbolised the tools which man uses to advance, but there comes a time when the tools must be cast aside if man is to advance any further. Is Andersons point that dependence on oil might have taken us as far as it can? We will never be enlightened while we rely upon it, and engage in holy wars to secure our supply.

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Goodfellas. For some reason i'd never seen this film, very good.

 

There Will Be Blood was mint, incidentally. :lol:

understatement of the century

 

and Luke, what do you mean by that?

 

I really rate this film as do many other widely respected critics. :lol:

 

That it tries very hard to be thoughtful and intellectual but goes overboard and looks quite silly at times. Like you.

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At the risk of incurring the wrath of the "just a film" brigade I'll just paste what I wrote (over several posts) on N-O.

 

Spoilers whited out...

 

It's an amazing film from the start, that builds and builds to one of the all time great endings.

 

As for the soundtrack, just look at the start of the film, a set of strings stretching one atonal note over a daunting shot of a mountain, that track is called Henry Plainview and it launches the first 20 minutes which are an introduction to that character, without a single identifiable word uttered.

 

For a film to hold your attention like this one does for that long, it has to have some pretty incredible sound design. I've not gone a day in weeks without giving the CD a listen (maybe that prepared me for watching the film). Whenever I put the soundtrack on, it only seems to last 10 minutes. Very little about the music should appeal, everything seems to jar, but it gives the entire film a feeling of unease, over those first 20 minutes it paints the picture of a monster, so that even though the images have shown you a hard working determined man, a man that's crawled on his belly to safety having broken his leg alone in the desert, a man that's taken on a dead man's child, even after all that, when he first opens his mouth, you instinctively don't trust him, despite his apparent admirable qualities you know he's as poisoned as Don Michael Corleone. Jonny Greenwood was robbed of an oscar on a technicality.

 

Bonk, Jonny and a few others have said the ending was a bit of a let down too.

 

I got more and more enthralled as it went on though, so I can't understand it.

 

Spoilers....

 

Originally the flash forward to 1927 was just outright hilarious. He's sat in his mansion shooting his own stuff like a fucked up Charles Foster Kane, when his 'son' comes to visit. He want's to go it alone, but Plainview is a black hole of a person who won't have it, he cannot abide competitors, and now this one person he likes to think he loves has become one he blows his stack. Then his brother by marriage arrives and that takes it up a notch. His viscious, cruel attacks on both are saddening and fantastically funny.

 

"This Makes you my competit-or", "I'd like to hear you speak instead of your little dog woof woof woof woof", "You're an O....O...an Orphan", Whistling at him "look at me! You're a Bastard!", "You're a bastard from a basket." Making Eli admit God is a superstition while slopping down his scran in retribution for the pipeline winning baptism, the milkshake analogy he follows it with, chasing him round the room and bashing his brains right the fuck in. It's awesome.

 

And that moment at the end where he just says "I'm finished" and the music crashes in to kick off the end credits, I was creaming myself.

 

Then I watched it a second time and realised the short scene between those 2 scenes is there for a reason. I don't know what it is, but I love wondering. Is it simply to show that he loved his boy? this memory of happier times takes him back to a time when he's playing with the boy. Maybe, but then he walks away from his 'son', and heads to what he really loves...the drill, the oil, the pipeline, the money.

 

Was that just a flashback, or was it his life flashing before his eyes before the moment of his death? The scene in the bowling alley is strangely stylised, Eli doesn't seemed to have aged much, why would he go to the man that previously swindled him to deal on the land for drilling? Before the scene there's a shot of Plainview descending steps (on his way to hell?) but stopping halfway before a cut to the scene. Is this what Plainview dreams of doing to Eli? It's the retribution he longs for because Eli made him admit that he abandoned his boy, and not only that, but that he didn't really have any remorse for it other than an amount which could get him his pipeline.

 

And that's without getting into any heavier stuff like big business crushing faith. The corrupt faces of business and religion both of which are selling a salvation that will NEVER come

 

I've rambled.... :lol:

 

I also like the comparisons with 2001 (which it holds up against imo) in this blog which I found today....

 

http://www.filmbrain.com/filmbrain/2007/12...-will-be-b.html

 

....another comparison with 2001 he missed in that blog though, is the shot where Plainview lifts his oil soaked hand towards the sun. Not only is it beautiful, it's reminiscent of the bone being thrown in 2001. That bone symbolised the tools which man uses to advance, but there comes a time when the tools must be cast aside if man is to advance any further. Is Andersons point that dependence on oil might have taken us as far as it can? We will never be enlightened while we rely upon it, and engage in holy wars to secure our supply.

I think the copy I watched might have been worse than I thought. I suspected there was something missing from where he got his son. I'd read he adopted him but I think the scene that explains it was missing.

I'll have to try and download it myself at some point.

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At the risk of incurring the wrath of the "just a film" brigade I'll just paste what I wrote (over several posts) on N-O.

 

Spoilers whited out...

 

It's an amazing film from the start, that builds and builds to one of the all time great endings.

 

As for the soundtrack, just look at the start of the film, a set of strings stretching one atonal note over a daunting shot of a mountain, that track is called Henry Plainview and it launches the first 20 minutes which are an introduction to that character, without a single identifiable word uttered.

 

For a film to hold your attention like this one does for that long, it has to have some pretty incredible sound design. I've not gone a day in weeks without giving the CD a listen (maybe that prepared me for watching the film). Whenever I put the soundtrack on, it only seems to last 10 minutes. Very little about the music should appeal, everything seems to jar, but it gives the entire film a feeling of unease, over those first 20 minutes it paints the picture of a monster, so that even though the images have shown you a hard working determined man, a man that's crawled on his belly to safety having broken his leg alone in the desert, a man that's taken on a dead man's child, even after all that, when he first opens his mouth, you instinctively don't trust him, despite his apparent admirable qualities you know he's as poisoned as Don Michael Corleone. Jonny Greenwood was robbed of an oscar on a technicality.

 

Bonk, Jonny and a few others have said the ending was a bit of a let down too.

 

I got more and more enthralled as it went on though, so I can't understand it.

 

Spoilers....

 

Originally the flash forward to 1927 was just outright hilarious. He's sat in his mansion shooting his own stuff like a fucked up Charles Foster Kane, when his 'son' comes to visit. He want's to go it alone, but Plainview is a black hole of a person who won't have it, he cannot abide competitors, and now this one person he likes to think he loves has become one he blows his stack. Then his brother by marriage arrives and that takes it up a notch. His viscious, cruel attacks on both are saddening and fantastically funny.

 

"This Makes you my competit-or", "I'd like to hear you speak instead of your little dog woof woof woof woof", "You're an O....O...an Orphan", Whistling at him "look at me! You're a Bastard!", "You're a bastard from a basket." Making Eli admit God is a superstition while slopping down his scran in retribution for the pipeline winning baptism, the milkshake analogy he follows it with, chasing him round the room and bashing his brains right the fuck in. It's awesome.

 

And that moment at the end where he just says "I'm finished" and the music crashes in to kick off the end credits, I was creaming myself.

 

Then I watched it a second time and realised the short scene between those 2 scenes is there for a reason. I don't know what it is, but I love wondering. Is it simply to show that he loved his boy? this memory of happier times takes him back to a time when he's playing with the boy. Maybe, but then he walks away from his 'son', and heads to what he really loves...the drill, the oil, the pipeline, the money.

 

Was that just a flashback, or was it his life flashing before his eyes before the moment of his death? The scene in the bowling alley is strangely stylised, Eli doesn't seemed to have aged much, why would he go to the man that previously swindled him to deal on the land for drilling? Before the scene there's a shot of Plainview descending steps (on his way to hell?) but stopping halfway before a cut to the scene. Is this what Plainview dreams of doing to Eli? It's the retribution he longs for because Eli made him admit that he abandoned his boy, and not only that, but that he didn't really have any remorse for it other than an amount which could get him his pipeline.

 

And that's without getting into any heavier stuff like big business crushing faith. The corrupt faces of business and religion both of which are selling a salvation that will NEVER come

 

I've rambled.... :lol:

 

I also like the comparisons with 2001 (which it holds up against imo) in this blog which I found today....

 

http://www.filmbrain.com/filmbrain/2007/12...-will-be-b.html

 

....another comparison with 2001 he missed in that blog though, is the shot where Plainview lifts his oil soaked hand towards the sun. Not only is it beautiful, it's reminiscent of the bone being thrown in 2001. That bone symbolised the tools which man uses to advance, but there comes a time when the tools must be cast aside if man is to advance any further. Is Andersons point that dependence on oil might have taken us as far as it can? We will never be enlightened while we rely upon it, and engage in holy wars to secure our supply.

I think the copy I watched might have been worse than I thought. I suspected there was something missing from where he got his son. I'd read he adopted him but I think the scene that explains it was missing.

I'll have to try and download it myself at some point.

 

I've heard there's shitty copies about like. One that misses out the final scene which would have been awfully disappointing.

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I think it had the final scene in it like. In the bowling alley in his house right?

The sound was all to hell though and seemed to get more out of sync as the film went on.

 

Aye.

 

"I drink your Milkshake!" :lol:

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Rambo: First Blood.

 

Like most lads one of my favourite films as a youngster without a doubt. Class score as well.

 

"You did everything to make this private war happen. You've done enough damage. This mission is over, Rambo. Do you understand me? This mission is over! Look at them out there! Look at them! If you won't end this now, they will kill you. Is that what you want? It's over Johnny. It's over!"

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I've just been to see Atonement, and can really only echo what Renton said.

 

Terrific movie, but desperately sad. Had to have a couple of deep breaths at the end :D

 

Edit: the blush smiley seems to think its christmas.

 

Piss off man you big fanny.

 

Went with wor lass a few weeks ago and can honestly say if it wasn't for Keira Knightly showing a bit of flesh then I would have walked out and left wor lass to walk home.

 

A lad sitting in front of me on a double date summed it up superbly when the credits rolled turning to his date saying, "Fuck me it's Friday night, I've just wasted 12 quid on that shower of shit, you better have your bj lips on!"

 

Atonement.

 

Checking internet reviews, this seems a bit marmite. Well, I loved it, but then I love McEwan books. I would rate it as one of the greatest British films ever and it it has the potential to win several oscars.

 

The macho men here needn't apply like, but it's a crushingly sad tragedy that arises from the smallest of mistakes and ends up ruining three peoples' lives. On the sadness stakes, it's like Million dollar baby multiplied by Brokeback mountain, squared. Actually not particularly comfortable viewing in public, if I'm honest.

 

And Cath might not sympathise with Robbie (James McAvoy), but you'll have to watch the film/read the book to find out why. :lol:

 

:lol: What's the matter Smo, not enough car chases for you?

 

 

I'm with SMO on this one like.

 

Not quite as bad as all that, but in no way deserving of the plaudits it's received.

 

That scene on the beach was very average if you ask me. I'm a sucker for an uncut scene, if it's well executed, but the director seemed to have told everyone on the beach just to do their thing and had the cameraman walk among them with a steadicam. There were a couple of cues that had to be timed right, like the men singing and the poor horses, but nothing whatsoever to put this in the same league as recent instant classic tracking shots like Children of Men (which fucks with your head by warping the space it's in and placing the camera where people are sitting in the car or by taking it through solid walls) or Timecode or Russian Ark (which both have a scale to them to dwarf Atonements one scene). I wouldn't complain, if the scene had any place being in the film, if it added anything, but it doesn't, it's clearly there because the director wanted to show off, but it only makes that middle section drag interminably.

 

I was also disappointed how they took the literary conceit of an author writing autobiographically, and transposed it to film quite well with timeshifts, point of view changes and running the film backwards, only to give it up in the end and go straight to the old woman author telling the story straight to camera. It's a shame they couldn't keep up the inventive storytelling via film, rather than resorting to Titanic style old woman voice over.

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I've still got 'Atonement' to watch and I must admit I don't really fancy it. And I've only ever read one McEwan book - 'Amsterdam' and I thought it was dreadfully staid.

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Punch Drunk Love

 

Another viewing as I'm in a real PTA mood after There Will Be Blood. Lovely stuff. "I want to take a hammer and smash your face in" :lol: . I've had to order Hard Eight too, as I've liked/loved everything he's done and it's the only one of his I've not seen yet.

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I've still got 'Atonement' to watch and I must admit I don't really fancy it. And I've only ever read one McEwan book - 'Amsterdam' and I thought it was dreadfully staid.

 

Same here, don't do love stories but i'll make an exception for ghost 2

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Kickboxer.

 

Classic man, you knows this is true.

 

Loving this fused over the final fight scene as well.

 

 

"you bleed like Mylee"

 

:lol:

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