Gemmill 46030 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Shepherd backs the managers at the Toon, but surely this is down to the fact that the club's large fanbase (couple with TV revenue) provides him with the opportunity to do this.84735[/snapback] Exactly. Pointing at chairmen of clubs that make no money and comparing Shepherd to them is ridiculous. 84750[/snapback] So how come othe big clubs don't tap their fanbases so well as us ? A straight answer will do 84797[/snapback] Sorry, are you suggesting that our attendances are down to Shepherd's ability to "tap the fanbase"? It's nothing to do with that - Newcastle get big attendances in spite of Shepherd, not because of him. 84805[/snapback] we got big crowds pre-1992 did we ? 84832[/snapback] Is Shepherd taking ALL credit for the worldwide boom in football's popularity now? I also didn't realise Shepherd took over as chairman in 1992....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Shepherd backs the managers at the Toon, but surely this is down to the fact that the club's large fanbase (couple with TV revenue) provides him with the opportunity to do this.84735[/snapback] Exactly. Pointing at chairmen of clubs that make no money and comparing Shepherd to them is ridiculous. 84750[/snapback] So how come othe big clubs don't tap their fanbases so well as us ? A straight answer will do 84797[/snapback] Sorry, are you suggesting that our attendances are down to Shepherd's ability to "tap the fanbase"? It's nothing to do with that - Newcastle get big attendances in spite of Shepherd, not because of him. 84805[/snapback] we got big crowds pre-1992 did we ? 84832[/snapback] Doesn't that defeat your argument though, surely that's why Shepherd is better at doling out the cash than pre-1992? 84837[/snapback] speculate to accumulate Alex...small time chairman [like the ones I've named] play safe rather than play ambition As we did ourselves pre-1992 and the Halls and Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46030 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Shepherd backs the managers at the Toon, but surely this is down to the fact that the club's large fanbase (couple with TV revenue) provides him with the opportunity to do this.84735[/snapback] Exactly. Pointing at chairmen of clubs that make no money and comparing Shepherd to them is ridiculous. 84750[/snapback] So how come othe big clubs don't tap their fanbases so well as us ? A straight answer will do 84797[/snapback] Sorry, are you suggesting that our attendances are down to Shepherd's ability to "tap the fanbase"? It's nothing to do with that - Newcastle get big attendances in spite of Shepherd, not because of him. 84805[/snapback] we got big crowds pre-1992 did we ? 84832[/snapback] Doesn't that defeat your argument though, surely that's why Shepherd is better at doling out the cash than pre-1992? 84837[/snapback] No Alex, it's BECAUSE Shepherd doles out the cash that we have big attendances. The attendances initially started because of the Freddie Shepherd pied-piper effect. LM's chasing his tail tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Author Share Posted January 26, 2006 Can I state at this point that I neither like or hate him as a chairman, so I'm looking to see who wins this discussion before taking sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46030 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 LM only goes to games because Freddy Shepherd tapped him up and he wants some more. FACT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Shepherd backs the managers at the Toon, but surely this is down to the fact that the club's large fanbase (couple with TV revenue) provides him with the opportunity to do this.84735[/snapback] Exactly. Pointing at chairmen of clubs that make no money and comparing Shepherd to them is ridiculous. 84750[/snapback] So how come othe big clubs don't tap their fanbases so well as us ? A straight answer will do 84797[/snapback] Sorry, are you suggesting that our attendances are down to Shepherd's ability to "tap the fanbase"? It's nothing to do with that - Newcastle get big attendances in spite of Shepherd, not because of him. 84805[/snapback] we got big crowds pre-1992 did we ? 84832[/snapback] Is Shepherd taking ALL credit for the worldwide boom in football's popularity now? I also didn't realise Shepherd took over as chairman in 1992....... 84841[/snapback] As you well know, Shepherd STILL isn't the majority shareholder....he's just the man who carries out the boards wishes ..... Like I said, some of you don't realise what a shit chairman really means, although I've gave you enough examples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 But Bobby Robson has said he signed Kluivert - he has an axe to grind so could easily say different - and Souness may be the biggest idiot ever to manage NUFC but he's nobodies yes man 84839[/snapback] Bobby doesn't know what fucking day it is tbh, you could just as easily argue he said he signed Kluivert so he didn't want to be portrayed as someone who wasn't in control of the club, especially as he's throw his hat into the ring for every job since. Bellamy said the chairman had done well to bring in players of Kliuvert's calibre after we signed him, he wouldn't lie, would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Shepherd backs the managers at the Toon, but surely this is down to the fact that the club's large fanbase (couple with TV revenue) provides him with the opportunity to do this.84735[/snapback] Exactly. Pointing at chairmen of clubs that make no money and comparing Shepherd to them is ridiculous. 84750[/snapback] So how come othe big clubs don't tap their fanbases so well as us ? A straight answer will do 84797[/snapback] Sorry, are you suggesting that our attendances are down to Shepherd's ability to "tap the fanbase"? It's nothing to do with that - Newcastle get big attendances in spite of Shepherd, not because of him. 84805[/snapback] we got big crowds pre-1992 did we ? 84832[/snapback] Doesn't that defeat your argument though, surely that's why Shepherd is better at doling out the cash than pre-1992? 84837[/snapback] No Alex, it's BECAUSE Shepherd doles out the cash that we have big attendances. The attendances initially started because of the Freddie Shepherd pied-piper effect. LM's chasing his tail tbh. 84844[/snapback] thats what I said, it's called ambition........you're getting warmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 But Bobby Robson has said he signed Kluivert - he has an axe to grind so could easily say different - and Souness may be the biggest idiot ever to manage NUFC but he's nobodies yes man 84839[/snapback] Bobby doesn't know what fucking day it is tbh, you could just as easily argue he said he signed Kluivert so he didn't want to be portrayed as someone who wasn't in control of the club, especially as he's throw his hat into the ring for every job since. Bellamy said the chairman had done well to bring in players of Kliuvert's calibre after we signed him, he wouldn't lie, would he? 84849[/snapback] no, Bellamy doesn't lie. You know what this comment means Alex, the club met his pay demands is what it means. But there is my point proven again, punching our weight - even though he was shit which I correctly forecasted ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 But Bobby Robson has said he signed Kluivert - he has an axe to grind so could easily say different - and Souness may be the biggest idiot ever to manage NUFC but he's nobodies yes man 84839[/snapback] Bobby doesn't know what fucking day it is tbh, you could just as easily argue he said he signed Kluivert so he didn't want to be portrayed as someone who wasn't in control of the club, especially as he's throw his hat into the ring for every job since. Bellamy said the chairman had done well to bring in players of Kliuvert's calibre after we signed him, he wouldn't lie, would he? 84849[/snapback] no, Bellamy doesn't lie. You know what this comment means Alex, the club met his pay demands is what it means. But there is my point proven again, punching our weight - even though he was shit which I correctly forecasted ....... 84852[/snapback] Mustn't forget that, eh?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 But Bobby Robson has said he signed Kluivert - he has an axe to grind so could easily say different - and Souness may be the biggest idiot ever to manage NUFC but he's nobodies yes man 84839[/snapback] Bobby doesn't know what fucking day it is tbh, you could just as easily argue he said he signed Kluivert so he didn't want to be portrayed as someone who wasn't in control of the club, especially as he's throw his hat into the ring for every job since. Bellamy said the chairman had done well to bring in players of Kliuvert's calibre after we signed him, he wouldn't lie, would he? 84849[/snapback] no, Bellamy doesn't lie. You know what this comment means Alex, the club met his pay demands is what it means. But there is my point proven again, punching our weight - even though he was shit which I correctly forecasted ....... 84852[/snapback] Couldn't get past that without laughing tbh, broken record zzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22001 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. 84862[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. 84862[/snapback] Thank you Renton, for putting it so succinctly. I was getting dizzy following the argument round in circles before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. 84862[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. 84862[/snapback] 84866[/snapback] Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4134 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. 84862[/snapback] Renton acheives correctness nirvana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15718 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Clique tbh. (Spot-on assessment though. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46030 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Aye a good post from Renton. I will always remember this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Personally I would credit John Hall for turning us into a big club from a sleeping giant; it has almost nothing to do with Shepherd. Shepherd has reinvested a lot of the club's money (not his own or ours), but overall to very little effect. If you judge him on results, which surely you should, he has been a complete failure. And this is before you take into account his horrendous PR gaffs and the fact he awards himself a salary and dividend far in excess what is considered justifiable by most experts. Leazesmag, time and time again you use the argument that we have had worse chairmen in the past as an argument to support Shepherd. Football was in a different era then, it's a bygone age, and as such it is entirely irrelevant. Why don't you compare Shepherd's performance to the other big clubs like ManU, Arsenal or Liverpool? This is where we should be because of our support, and whatever you say, that support does not exist because of Shepherd. 84862[/snapback] Renton acheives correctness nirvana 84875[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Aye a good post from Renton. I will always remember this moment. 84880[/snapback] Gemmill is seething Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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manc-mag 1 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Aye a good post from Renton. I will always remember this moment. 84880[/snapback] Gemmill is seething 84885[/snapback] wobbling tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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