VAR... really??

[rogerbarton 24]

"Referee Andre Marriner did discuss the incident with the VAR Neil Swarbrick through his earpiece but he did not consult the pitch-side monitor because he was satisfied Murray's goal was legitimate.

 

A review of an incident is only triggered if there has been a clear and obvious error by the referee, but goals such as Murray's can be checked by the two officials without any official review." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42615776

 

So, in other words, the two VAR officials can analyse the incident in real-time, from a number of angles, and they would alert the referee if they thought an error had been made.

[@yourservice 67]

VAR, what is it good for?

[RobinRobin 11268]

Used full time in the A League now in Oz.  Worryingly, there are still problems with interpretation by the VAR officials (there was a clear offside decision which was not given earlier in the season, which just gives credibility to the Danny Baker's of this world), but it will get better (and quicker).

[RobinRobin 11268]

7 hours ago, @yourservice said:

VAR, what is it good for?

 

[Tdansmith 3259]

The video assistant referee (VAR) will be used in the FA Cup third round replays between Chelsea and Norwich, and Leicester City and Fleetwood Town.

I wonder how long before the Premier League uses it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42625606

[PaddockLad 17257]

Would anyone want big screen replays of incidents that are referred to VAR? fans actually at the the ground  not happy last night...is it just because they're a bunch of jumped up cockney twats or do they have a point?....

 

[Tdansmith 3259]

5 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

Would anyone want big screen replays of incidents that are referred to VAR? fans actually at the the ground  not happy last night...is it just because they're a bunch of jumped up cockney twats or do they have a point?....

 

Jumped up cockney twats can wait until they get home and watch it on the telly

[PaddockLad 17257]

Barney Ronay...

 

In the end a lot of this boils down to what you think sport is for. If it is to be a distantly consumed third person spectacle, a series of coloured blobs moving on a screen, just one part of the digital leisure experience, than perhaps it does make sense to analyse endlessly the precise, elusive mechanics of why a man has fallen over

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jan/13/var-football-referees-emotional-game?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[Andrew 4748]

I want it to be entertaining, but I want that to come from a fair exchange between two clubs players, not from the man in the middle whose job it is to apply the rules that make it function as a game, I want him to be as right as possible as much as possible and leave the entertaining to the people actually playing football.

 

Once VAR comes in properly and is fully worked out and up to speed then the days of doing nowt but the goals and refereeing decisions on Match of the Day or whatever are gone and we'll actually be talking about football.

 

It helps to make football about football, not referees.

[adios 717]

I don't know wtf a Barney Ronay is but please refrain from inflicting any more of it upon us.

[Tdansmith 3259]

Southanpton could have done with VAR yesterday, or at least a ref / linesman with a decent pair of glasses on 

[Alex 35079]

It’s improved every sport it’s been applied to and while there’s certainly an argument that football is now just another form of ‘entertainment’ that has lost its romance, the application of technology to help get decisions right seems to make little to fuck all difference to that. 

[Gemmill 44872]

I've seen foreign matches where it's been used this season and it makes very little difference to the flow of the game and gives refs a chance to make better decisions. Makes sense to me. 

[Andrew 4748]

Iheanacho gets Leicesters second goal tonight, ruled offside by the linesman, referred to VAR and shown to be onside.

 

 

[ewerk 30609]

It’ll never work.

[StoneColdStephenIreland 74]

Be interesting to see what happens to officials if say for example Bobby Madley is proven to be wrong 3 times in a short period of games, will he be demoted or just carry on refereeing at a high level?

[PaddockLad 17257]

 

48 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It’ll never work.

 

It'll work ok, it's whether you feel it's required or not. The offside rule says "player", not foot, forearm or nose. People have been brainwashed by media replays for the past 40 years into thinking that this is the correct interpretation of the rule, it's not, it's fuckin nonsense. If a player is a yard in front he's offside, if he's level but his foot is in front or something (like tonight's goal) he's not. So flag should've stayed down and no need for VAR. Leicester fans get a tiny moment of instant ecstasy on a cold Tuesday night and everyone's happy  

[ewerk 30609]

Of course it’ll work. Only a spasticated Luddite would suggest otherwise.

[PaddockLad 17257]

Reported. 

[RobinRobin 11268]

2 hours ago, Ant said:

 

you're wrong, it's anything apart from hands and arms, and specifically states "consideration for head, body, or feet in relation to the second last defender, ball, or halfway line" it's in every association/footy rule book going  

Correct 

[Tdansmith 3259]

7 hours ago, StoneColdStephenIreland said:

Be interesting to see what happens to officials if say for example Bobby Madley is proven to be wrong 3 times in a short period of games, will he be demoted or just carry on refereeing at a high level?

Every game refs are watched and judged on the mistakes (often using replays etc days later)  they make, so yes they will be demoted if they keep on making mistakes.  

[PaddockLad 17257]

6 hours ago, Ant said:

 

you're wrong, it's anything apart from hands and arms, and specifically states "consideration for head, body, or feet in relation to the second last defender, ball, or halfway line" it's in every association/footy rule book going  

 

4 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

Correct 

 

 I missed that meeting  

[Andrew 4748]

10 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

So flag should've stayed down and no need for VAR. Leicester fans get a tiny moment of instant ecstasy on a cold Tuesday night and everyone's happy  

 

The flag should've stayed down but it didn't, without VAR that goal wouldn't have stood, that is what it's for. Regardless of the offside rule misinterpretation above your conclusion doesn't make sense.

 

 

[ewerk 30609]

So what happens if a player is put through on goal and the flag goes up for offside? Is he supposed to play on, see if he scores and then take it to VAR? Or just stop playing once he's flagged for offside?

[Andrew 4748]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

So what happens if a player is put through on goal and the flag goes up for offside? Is he supposed to play on, see if he scores and then take it to VAR? Or just stop playing once he's flagged for offside?

 

Refs decision innit, play to the whistle as a player and leave it at that.

 

Last night was a perfect example, played through with just a touch and finish to make, does so, no one actually involved stopped playing and the incident went to VAR. I don't know how the rulings are laid out regarding longer passages of play, not sure where I could find them.

 

Longer term I expect we'll see fewer offsides flagged initially as assistants only flag when they're more certain knowing that the VAR can catch the marginal cases.