TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Alex said: Don’t know what the alternative was(not starting Shelvey imo) Not ahead of Henderson? Howa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13861 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Henderson had a brilliant tournament. Suggesting otherwise is just bias tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: Henderson had a brilliant tournament. Suggesting otherwise is just bias tbh He's got no outstanding qualities. He performs to his level quite consistently but he's not good enough. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I thought he was shite when he was 23/24 and pretty much wrote him off as a jack Colback type but tbh he’s improved a hell of a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Thats just the post beating 3 shite teams hype. You'll think he's shit again soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42387 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Let’s not forget, gents, that we could have been discussing the fucking joke of a tournament we’d have had under Hippo Heed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) Can't say i really rated Henderson either. Apart from one decent forward pass, what did he do? Possibly reacting to the Croatia game here but when their goal went in our midfield became non-existent. He doesn't impose himself on games nor, as far as i can tell, does he do anything hugely noteworthy. Same as he is with Liverpool...? Edited July 14, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35063 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 9 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Not ahead of Henderson? Howa 3 reasons he wouldn’t off the top of my head. He tries too many difficult passes which tend to lose possession more by their very nature. That’s not criticism of him as a player, more why he doesn’t fit in with the possession football Southgate wants to play. Henderson’s athleticism’s important to the team. Shelvey’s nowhere near as good in that respect. International teams sit a lot deeper on the whole than those in the PL, making Shelvey’s long balls over the top a far less effective weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Alex said: 3 reasons he wouldn’t off the top of my head. He tries too many difficult passes which tend to lose possession more by their very nature. That’s not criticism of him as a player, more why he doesn’t fit in with the possession football Southgate wants to play. Henderson’s athleticism’s important to the team. Shelvey’s nowhere near as good in that respect. International teams sit a lot deeper on the whole than those in the PL, making Shelvey’s long balls over the top a far less effective weapon. I cannot disagree with any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4748 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 For Newcastle fans some of you lot really can’t cope with losing can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Alex said: 3 reasons he wouldn’t off the top of my head. He tries too many difficult passes which tend to lose possession more by their very nature. That’s not criticism of him as a player, more why he doesn’t fit in with the possession football Southgate wants to play. Henderson’s athleticism’s important to the team. Shelvey’s nowhere near as good in that respect. International teams sit a lot deeper on the whole than those in the PL, making Shelvey’s long balls over the top a far less effective weapon. Aye, until you play the better ones. Which is where we've come unstuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) It was a bloody brilliantly tournament for england. The best since Euro 96. Easy draw or not, we advanced by beating the type of teams we have lost to in recent times. We played a new style of positive possession football and we have a likeable manager and group of players. Recent England squad thy contained far more star players lacked the cohesion and spirit that took this side to the semis. Respect due. Edited July 15, 2018 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 18 hours ago, essembeeofsunderland said: Note the unnecessary spectacular dive from Thickford for a shot always going over the bar Made some good saves too - rightly cited by fans and pundits alike as one of it top theee players of the tournament alongside Trippier and Maguire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 14 hours ago, Howay said: Players generally improve I disagree that it’s a myth. Barkley is just injury prone so would struggle to improve, Sterling has improved imo even at International level but I’m happy to agree to disagree on that one. It’s a squad where we had players who got more caps during the tournament than they had before it. Which, as I’ve said, have shown they are better than all previous England teams since at least 2004. Southgate is learning as well, this was the blokes first tournament, I’m not willing to just write the bloke off because he made some decisions I disagree with. Capello was a far better manager on paper but he was a fucking joke of an England manager, if we chuck in Southgate at the start of his project we’re back to having no identity and no plan. At the moment we have an identity to build on, we were lacking in some key areas but the talent is in the youth and they’re all playing a similar system to the side which was at the World Cup so it’s creating a potential pipeline. Southgate deserves a lot of credit for that imo. Also when saying those sides look forward to their youth talents improve in 4 years, those are the lads England have been brushing aside in the majority of youth tournaments? I know you acknowledge that point later but it sort of makes the point about those teams moot imo. Of course there is always the risk they won’t come through, or that lads like Foden and Sancho won’t get games but what’s the point in being negative about it? Of course those sides have more quality, all of them (with the exception of Belgium) have had more quality than us for most of football history. You can make pretty much the same point regarding Mbappe kicking on as you can about the England players improving, you’re only one bad injury away from being half the player you were. In 4 years Rashford could improve a lot, look at Kane now compared to his level at the previous World Cup. My main point is really that there are positives to this World Cup, we’re a country that two years ago lost to Iceland, four years ago were put out at the group stage by Costa Rica. I just don’t see the point in scratching around for negatives, as ewerk says we may as well pack in watching England if we can’t enjoy that World Cup. Well put, massive positives tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4748 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Made some good saves too - rightly cited by fans and pundits alike as one of it top theee players of the tournament alongside Trippier and Maguire No no no, he was terrible too, and was faking his injury at the end of the croatia game...for some completely inexplicable reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On paper I’d say we’re outside the ten best teams in the world so to finish 4th has surpassed all expectations. Great tournament and great effort from England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35063 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Aye but we’re only outside the top 10 on paper because Southgate wouldn’t play Shelvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3888 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Kane Sterling Lingard. Ali Young. Henderson. Trippier Maguire. Stones. Walker Pickford Henderson was completely on his own in midfield I don’t think anyone could have done better being that abandoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4748 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: On paper I’d say we’re outside the ten best teams in the world so to finish 4th has surpassed all expectations. Great tournament and great effort from England I agree that we've had a great world cup, are we outside the top ten though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35063 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 About 12th in the FIFA rankings ore-tournament iirc. Not saying they’re perfect like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13861 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Kane Sterling Lingard. Ali Young. Henderson. Trippier Maguire. Stones. Walker Pickford Henderson was completely on his own in midfield I don’t think anyone could have done better being that abandoned. Aye, Maguire and Stones stepped out at times but he had to cover a load of ground, especially against Colombia who were pacey. Even against Croatia, the balls over the top in the first half were working and finding Sterling in dangerous areas. I've never been his biggest fan but you saw a noticeable dip when he went off against Croatia. I think Dier is a good player but you noticed his lack of pace and agility almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, Alex said: About 12th in the FIFA rankings ore-tournament iirc. Not saying they’re perfect like Sounds about right though we may have climbed back into the top ten off the back of this tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Kane Sterling Lingard. Ali Young. Henderson. Trippier Maguire. Stones. Walker Pickford Henderson was completely on his own in midfield I don’t think anyone could have done better being that abandoned. Fair tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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