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[Rayvin 5200]

If by true you mean the prisons were neglected by the Tories to the point of extreme overcrowding, and this one lad who was jailed for manslaughter is getting out early as a result, (but the other guy who got 9 years is still in prison and doing the time) then yes.

[Tdansmith 3259]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

If by true you mean the prisons were neglected by the Tories to the point of extreme overcrowding, and this one lad who was jailed for manslaughter is getting out early as a result, (but the other guy who got 9 years is still in prison and doing the time) then yes.

So, 6 month for manslaughter is ok ?  

[Rayvin 5200]

3 minutes ago, Tdansmith said:

So, 6 month for manslaughter is ok ?  

 

You should take it up with the Tories but I would wager that the case was more complex than the any of the halfwits reacting to it have made clear.

[Andrew 4732]

10 minutes ago, Tdansmith said:

So, 6 month for manslaughter is ok ?  

How the fuck did you land there?!

[Tdansmith 3259]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

You should take it up with the Tories but I would wager that the case was more complex than the any of the halfwits reacting to it have made clear.

That is just your opinion is it not ? I actually can't take it up with the Tories..

I just see what was posted, I honestly don't know what is true or not these days, however if someone can get 6 month in jail for manslaughter and someone else can get two years for posting some bad words on the internet that is just wrong IMO. 

 

[Tdansmith 3259]

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

How the fuck did you land there?!

what do you mean ? i just read the story !  Was it not correct ?  That actually was my question ? 

[Rayvin 5200]

 

3 minutes ago, Tdansmith said:

That is just your opinion is it not ? I actually can't take it up with the Tories..

I just see what was posted, I honestly don't know what is true or not these days, however if someone can get 6 month in jail for manslaughter and someone else can get two years for posting some bad words on the internet that is just wrong IMO. 

 

 

You are aware that the people posting bad words on the internet were supporting having scores of people burned alive in a building right?

[Tdansmith 3259]

10 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

 

You are aware that the people posting bad words on the internet were supporting having scores of people burned alive in a building right?

No one was burned alive, nobody, not scores of people, no body.

 

The people that attempted that should go to prison, for attempted manslaughter,  idiots on the internet who posted bad words should not go to prison for two years ! 

TWO YEARS ! when someone could be out after 6 month for actual manslaughter !    

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Tdansmith

[Rayvin 5200]

Right, I went and looked into it for you. This is the Labour policy:

 

The government is releasing 1,100 more prisoners early, as part of its emergency plan to ease overcrowding in jails in England and Wales.

Offenders serving more than five years are being released on licence after spending 40% of their time behind bars, a scheme that excludes those convicted of serious violence, sex crimes and terrorism.

 

Taken from: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly6y67dkpzo

 

And here is the sentencing logic for the guy released, by the judge at the time, back in January while this was still a Tory government:

 

"Death was caused in the course of an unlawful act which carried a high risk of death or GBH which was or ought to have been obvious to the offender. It is argued on behalf of you, Natty, that your culpability falls somewhere on the cusp of categories C and D and that an appropriate starting point should be chosen. Whilst the jury rejected Neto’s defence of self-defence, they equally rejected the Prosecution notion that the south group laid in wait for the north group in Clumber Street North/ Brunel Terrace so as to ambush two by six. It is suggested that the evidence supports a conclusion that the north group was armed and in pursuit of the south group and justifies a finding that this was “death caused in defence of self or others where not amounting to a defence” and the categorisation is in D - lower culpability. Whilst I accept the prosecution assessment in your case, Neto, because I am sure that in stabbing Gordon Gault through the arm, you had an intention to cause harm falling just short of GBH and it carried a high risk of grievous bodily harm which was or ought to have been known to you, different considerations apply to you, Natty, on the basis of your conviction"

 

This is from the court notes: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Natty-and-Neto-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

 

So what Labour have done is pass a blanket rule which, I think you'd agree is meant to cover violent offenders, right? It specifically excludes them. And in this case, per the judge's ruling, the guy being released fell just under the threshold for it to be classed as GBH. So it's a technicality that has seen him released based on the original sentencing. It's not like he was handpicked by the government.

 

Does this make sense?

 

Just read a bit further...

 

"Finally, I take into account the fact that, given you are a foreign national so that, on the face of it, the provisions for automatic deportation apply and there is therefore a prospect that, upon your release, you will be deported to Belgium. If this does occur, it will arguably be a greater punishment than any sentence I can impose on you."

 

Again, you can take issue with the judge for this if you want..but not Labour.

 

[Rayvin 5200]

And this level of effort is beyond right wing media, Elon bellend Musk, and associated right wing asshats.

[Tdansmith 3259]

8 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

And this level of effort is beyond right wing media, Elon bellend Musk, and associated right wing asshats.

So, six month for manslaughter and two years for posting about it on a website. 

that's ok by you ? 

[Rayvin 5200]

Just now, Tdansmith said:

So, six month for manslaughter and two years for posting about it on a website. 

that's ok by you ? 

 

The fact that you're posing that question to me after everything I just wrote indicates to me that you're operating ideologically and not with interest in the facts of the matter.

 

Why is your question relevant? A judge in 2024 sentenced this man with a specific ruling that while it was manslaughter, it was the lowest form of GBH possible because he stabbed him in the hand/wrist with no intent at all to kill. Then Labour release lower violence offenders which, on the judge's original decision, happens to include this guy. On a technicality. Now explain to me why your question, which seems to imply that Labour are actively responsible for both decisions, is relevant?

[Rayvin 5200]

But for the record, I trust the judges to know what is right or not based on their experience interpreting the law, and not random people on the internet with no information/evidence/data about it.

[Tdansmith 3259]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

The fact that you're posing that question to me after everything I just wrote indicates to me that you're operating ideologically and not with interest in the facts of the matter.

 

Why is your question relevant? A judge in 2024 sentenced this man with a specific ruling that while it was manslaughter, it was the lowest form of GBH possible because he stabbed him in the hand/wrist with no intent at all to kill. Then Labour release lower violence offenders which, on the judge's original decision, happens to include this guy. On a technicality. Now explain to me why your question, which seems to imply that Labour are actively responsible for both decisions, is relevant?

Ok, fair comment. You've successfully baffled me with lawyer crap you've looked up.

 

So, 6 month for manslaughter.

Two years for posting about it..

I couldn't give a fuck if it's labour or conservative .

Do you think that is fair ? yes or no ? 

 

[Rayvin 5200]

If it was that simple, I would say no. But then I don't consider it that simple whatsoever, so again, I feel the question isn't relevant. Two months for inciting a riot that could have led to people being killed and mass violence if strong action wasn't taken (and those people were warned in real time but continued their stupidity anyway) versus a teenager stabbing a guy in the hand during a scuffle between two gangs (where the perpetrator's gang was the one being pursued) and unfortunately nicking a major blood vessel.

 

Taking all the details out makes it sound bad, but honestly isn't a remotely fair way of interpreting it. It lacks all context.

 

EDIT - actually the more i look at it, the more I feel like the guy who is being released was only actually responsible for sourcing the machete, not the actual killing blow or associated violence. I'm not positive on that but it appears to be what the court notes are saying. So it's 6 months for buying a machete that he knew would likely be used in violence.

[RobinRobin 11221]

I may be missing something here (clearly I am) but who got sentenced to 6 months for manslaughter? One seems to have got 9 years and 2 months and the other 2 years and 8 months. 

On that basis, only the first would be eligible for release after spending well over 3 years inside. 

 

[Tdansmith 3259]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

If it was that simple, I would say no. But then I don't consider it that simple whatsoever, so again, I feel the question isn't relevant. Two months for inciting a riot that could have led to people being killed and mass violence if strong action wasn't taken (and those people were warned in real time but continued their stupidity anyway) versus a teenager stabbing a guy in the hand during a scuffle between two gangs (where the perpetrator's gang was the one being pursued) and unfortunately nicking a major blood vessel.

 

Taking all the details out makes it sound bad, but honestly isn't a remotely fair way of interpreting it. It lacks all context.

Two years in prison...for posting something on the nett. 

Two years ! 

Manslaughter...6 month. 

What planet are you on ?

 

"context" is something you are looking for, maybe look up "!machete"

[Rayvin 5200]

2 minutes ago, RobinRobin said:

I may be missing something here (clearly I am) but who got sentenced to 6 months for manslaughter? One seems to have got 9 years and 2 months and the other 2 years and 8 months. 

On that basis, only the first would be eligible for release after spending well over 3 years inside. 

 

 

The one on the shorter sentence is being released apparently - from what I can see he didn't actually carry out the violence which is presumably why. He got the manslaughter charge seemingly because he supplied the weapon to the guy who did (the longer sentence).

 

That's my reading of it anyway. Why the fuck I've spent so much time on this is beyond me, but what is clear is that there are a lot of details to this that Musk and friends are willfully ignoring to be able to whip up hysteria.

[Rayvin 5200]

2 minutes ago, Tdansmith said:

Two years in prison...for posting something on the nett. 

Two years ! 

Manslaughter...6 month. 

What planet are you on ?

 

"context" is something you are looking for, maybe look up "!machete"

 

Mate, I've really tried but you're not interested in my reasoning. Fair enough, but you've got nothing to say on this in response other than refusing to acknowledge this issue on the level of detail that would be necessary to form any sort of judgement. So I'm done with this now.

[Tdansmith 3259]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

The one on the shorter sentence is being released apparently - from what I can see he didn't actually carry out the violence which is presumably why. He got the manslaughter charge seemingly because he supplied the weapon to the guy who did (the longer sentence).

 

That's my reading of it anyway. Why the fuck I've spent so much time on this is beyond me, but what is clear is that there are a lot of details to this that Musk and friends are willfully ignoring to be able to whip up hysteria.

When you find out the details please let me know..   

 Once again my very first question that i asked.

maybe, just maybe, you've spent so much time on this is because you don't like what you hear ? 

maybe Musk has a point ? 

[Rayvin 5200]

1 minute ago, Tdansmith said:

When you find out the details please let me know..   

 Once again my very first question that i asked.

maybe, just maybe, you've spent so much time on this is because you don't like what you hear ? 

maybe Musk has a point ? 

 

Kill me now. We're all fucking doomed.

[Tdansmith 3259]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Mate, I've really tried but you're not interested in my reasoning. Fair enough, but you've got nothing to say on this in response other than refusing to acknowledge this issue on the level of detail that would be necessary to form any sort of judgement. So I'm done with this now.

ok fair enough. 

[Tdansmith 3259]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

Kill me now., We're all fucking doomed.

you just said you were done with this, make your mind up ! 

[Rayvin 5200]

Just now, Tdansmith said:

you just said you were done with this, make your mind up ! 

 

That's not me arguing this issue. That's me earnestly wanting an asteroid to wipe me out before Musk's banal idiocy ruins the entire Western world.

 

Maybe I can find a hotel to be burned alive in the next time the sub 80 IQs gather.

[Andrew 4732]

18 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

That's not me arguing this issue. That's me earnestly wanting an asteroid to wipe me out before Musk's banal idiocy ruins the entire Western world.

 

Maybe I can find a hotel to be burned alive in the next time the sub 80 IQs gather.

 

Dont worry mate, I'll nuke this place before it takes over here. We'll be spared that.