The Fish 10870 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: i thought their signings looked alright on paper, other than hart, who's a dodgy keeper. better than ours at least. Aye, Hernandez, Arnautovic and Zabaleta looked shrewd signings; A reliable goal scorer, a mercurial talent and an experienced winning defender. Compared to Stoke's surplus striker, some kid with hardly any starts and a French centre back. Because we've been so lucky with those... oh oh and an ex Sunderland defender too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerbarton 24 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 5 hours ago, The Fish said: No great surprise, but I bet they didn't cast the net as far as they could. Surely there'd be impressive coaches in the lower leagues, or someone from a foreign league? Managers who'd take a gamble if only for the chance of managing in the Premier League? Chris Wilder, at Sheffield United, could have been a good bet - at least til the end of the season. He's got them 2nd in the Championship after just winning League 1 in his first season. Won League 2 with Northampton the season before too. Surely more inspiring than Moyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13887 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Nobody with rising stock is going to touch them with a barge pole tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21959 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 hours ago, trooper said: I reckon after the next 4/5 games we'll have a true reflection of were we're really at. Tbh, if we survive with this squad, it’s job done. Anything better is a Brucey bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3259 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 If we survive with this squad it will be a fucking miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30647 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3259 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Ewerk is right. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30647 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 To say it's a miracle is an overstatement. We don't have a bad first team. We're lacking a bit in a No.9 and No.10 but we have enough there to stay up comfortably when you have a manager as good as ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3259 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: To say it's a miracle is an overstatement. We don't have a bad first team. We're lacking a bit in a No.9 and No.10 but we have enough there to stay up comfortably when you have a manager as good as ours. At the start of the season most people had us down as favs to get relegated, 4th bottom was the target. While a miracle is probably an overstatement, long shots to stay up would be more appropriate. Now with points in the bag, i'm very hopeful we'll stay up. Maybe if/when we do it will be a minor miracle. And, yes it's down to having a class manager because i have no doubt what so ever if Carver, Pardew or McClown was in charge of this squad this season we would be relegated for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) He is a good manager but he can only do what he can do with what he's got he knows as well as we do this team is a slightly upgraded championship team . I can see the lack of goals really hurting us over the next few games Edited November 8, 2017 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30647 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Tdansmith said: At the start of the season most people had us down as favs to get relegated, 4th bottom was the target. While a miracle is probably an overstatement, long shots to stay up would be more appropriate. None of that is true though. We were 4/1 to go down, there were five teams shorter than us to get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10870 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Our first team isn't that far behind a great swathe of the Premier League teams, but light years behind those who're challenging. You could make an argument for a few of our players getting into West Brom's side, or Southampton, or West Ham, and a few of theirs getting in ours. But none of our players would get on the bench for the top clubs. Benitez is the difference maker, and despite the team's flaws, and his own, I think we're likely to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Of course a lot will depend on the January window if we're sold by then from what we've heard funds will be available. If not & Ashley's still here will he gamble again regarding transfer funds. Or will he have to buy to ensure premiership safety thus making the club more sellable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21959 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Even if Ashley is still here and doesn’t spend much in January, which is what I suspect will happen, I think we’ll survive, thanks to Rafa. It wont be pretty and we’ll have to graft for our narrow victories and endure narrow defeats to teams we traditionally might have all expected to beat. It’s not really the season to be trying to get a 6 year old boy into football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10870 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Even if Ashley is still here and doesn’t spend much in January, which is what I suspect will happen, I think we’ll survive, thanks to Rafa. It wont be pretty and we’ll have to graft for our narrow victories and endure narrow defeats to teams we traditionally might have all expected to beat. It’s not really the season to be trying to get a 6 year old boy into football. If we don't spend in January, I don't think Benitez will stay. And should he go, I can't see many managers capable of getting this group of players to safety. I think we'll be taken over and spend, or Ashley will stay and have to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21959 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 He’ll only spend if it looks like we’re in the shit. If we’re getting close to 30 points by then, he’ll gamble that we’ve got enough again - just like he did when it almost went tits up with pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10870 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: He’ll only spend if it looks like we’re in the shit. If we’re getting close to 30 points by then, he’ll gamble that we’ve got enough again - just like he did when it almost went tits up with pardew. Aye, but should he take that gamble, he knows Benitez will tell him to get fucked, which will surely play on Ashley's mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21959 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I don’t expect him to change his approach for Rafa, even if it means he walks. And tbf, Rafa would probably keep us up with games to spare if we’re on 20 odd points by Christmas. We’re unlikely to go on the kind of run we did when pardew was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10870 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: I don’t expect him to change his approach for Rafa, even if it means he walks. And tbf, Rafa would probably keep us up with games to spare if we’re on 20 odd points by Christmas. We’re unlikely to go on the kind of run we did when pardew was in charge. He changed his approach fro McClaren somewhat? And for Benitez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I dont get why people say our team is poor on paper. Match it up against the likes of Swansea, Brighton, Palace, Huddersfield, Watford etc. Man for Man I'd rather have most of our team than most of Watfords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21959 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 ??? He didn’t let him spend last janury or in the summer. Giving mcclaren a decent budget was an exception rather than the rule. Of all the managers to give it to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3259 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 45 minutes ago, ewerk said: None of that is true though. We were 4/1 to go down, there were five teams shorter than us to get relegated. I don't believe we were 4/1 to go down at the start of the season, we are only 7/1 to go down now and we have 14 points https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10870 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: ??? He didn’t let him spend last janury or in the summer. Giving mcclaren a decent budget was an exception rather than the rule. Of all the managers to give it to... I meant he allowed Benitez to sign players for the now, rather than for the resale. Last Summer and this. You're right though, imagine a) what Benitez could have done with McClaren's side, or 2) what Benitez could have done with that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30647 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 42 minutes ago, Tdansmith said: I don't believe we were 4/1 to go down at the start of the season, we are only 7/1 to go down now and we have 14 points https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation You don't have to believe it. It's a fact. What you're saying is that you don't believe me. And that hurts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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