TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Tdansmith said: I think that's a fair point, however the furlough scheme was brought in to save jobs. Your firm is using the scheme to do just that as most of it's employees will be on the same or simliar wages. When the scheme ends 31st oct hopfully no body ill be paid off, but some might. The reason football clubs or certainly Premier League clubs are targeted for using furlough is because most of it's staff are on 50k,60k plus wages per week. Then they use the scheme to pay the rest of the staff on normal wages to penny pinch, well ashley does. The rest of the Premier league clubs don't. ( I think relagated Norwich are using it as well ) When the scheme ends I doubt very much many any staff will be made redundant. If a Premier league club can afford to pay those type of wages to many footballers, how can they possibly pay people off when the scheme ends ? Ashley is using the scheme because he can, legally but it's morally wrong imo. I can understand lower league teams like sunland using to scheme to save jobs of course. I think the JTS will for sure save jobs in the lower league, but not all them. The top brass at my company will be on footballers wages too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: Not sure that having an issue with billionaires using tax payers money to furlough people unnecessarily is virtue signalling. It's not unnecessary if the alternative is to lay them off because there's no work. Edited September 4, 2020 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3981 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: The top brass at my company will be on footballers wages too. What company do you work at where people get paid £50,000 a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7179 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: It's not unnecessary if the alternative is to lay them off because there's no work. The alternative at NUFC is Ashley puts his hand in his pocket and takes staff out of furlough. Like every other club has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: The alternative at NUFC is Ashley puts his hand in his pocket and takes staff out of furlough. Like every other club has Well every company could do that but it's not realistic, hence the furlough scheme. Despite the players wages, the club isn't exactly hugely profitable compared to other businesses using the scheme. Edited September 4, 2020 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7179 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, TheGingerQuiff said: Well every company could do that but it's not realistic, hence the furlough scheme. Despite the players wages, the club isn't exactly hugely profitable. Every football club in the league HAS done that, so it can’t be that unrealistic. Apart from Ashley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, Kid Dynamite said: Every football club in the league HAS done that, so it can’t be that unrealistic. Apart from Ashley So what? Should Ashley cover the furlough costs for all of his other businesses too? He's not even that cash rich, much of his wealth is in assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35595 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 With many companies, the people on furlough will represent a large percentage of the company’s outgoings. With PL clubs it’s a drop in the ocean. I do agree football clubs are a soft target though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7179 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, TheGingerQuiff said: So what? Should Ashley cover the furlough costs for all of his other businesses too? He's not even that cash rich, much of his wealth is in assets. Well it’s already been established that he claimed furlough payments whilst making sports direct warehouse staff go back to work. Defending Ashley using your taxes to keep his money in his own pocket is a strange hill to die on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, Kid Dynamite said: Well it’s already been established that he claimed furlough payments whilst making sports direct warehouse staff go back to work. Defending Ashley using your taxes to keep his money in his own pocket is a strange hill to die on I'm not exactly defending that. I'm saying that football clubs are small-fry in terms of profitability compared to othet companies using the scheme. Let's not forget the hit to the clubs matchday income too. Ashley covering all of it would be a noble gesture and good p.r, but I don't agree with the clamour and expectation for him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 And I dare say that the club has paid enough tax to be able to use the scheme without conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31216 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Oh won't someone think of the billionaires! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) I suppose all the other business owners that have been using the scheme are skint. He's as entitled to use it as anybody. It'd have cost him tens of millions every month to cover the furlough costs of all of his employees. It wouldn't bankrupt him but it's not a realistic expectation Edited September 4, 2020 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7179 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Did you vote Conservative by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Because I'm in favour of employers saving jobs using the furlough scheme? Probably the most radically socialist policy the tories have ever passed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I don't get what your alternative suggestion is? Make it a law that billionaires pay for employees they have no work for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7179 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Radical socialist policy? Or loading the taxpayers with decades of debt to keep their mates companies afloat? They didn’t have any other choice but to bring in a furlough policy, but if you think it was done altruistically then you’re mad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, ewerk said: Oh won't someone think of the billionaires! Fucking hell man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Radical socialist policy? Or loading the taxpayers with decades of debt to keep their mates companies afloat? They didn’t have any other choice but to bring in a furlough policy, but if you think it was done altruistically then you’re mad Putting words into my mouth. I'm for the policy and think it should be extended, like Germany's, not once have I said anything about the government's motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tom said: Fucking hell man So what's the policy then? If you have 999 million use the scheme but a billion then you can't? Oh but you can't lay anyone off either you have to pay them whilst your business has no revenue. I mean I get and share the disdain for billionaires, but you're being silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22176 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) the job retention scheme isn't just the biggest or most radical socialist policy the tories have every put forward - it's the biggest and most radical socialist intervention from any UK government ever. the UK economy was almost entirely nationalised for six months. it was the right thing to do, of course, but it is unquestionably radical and socialist. the tories are trying to withdraw the support too quickly but getting the timing right is difficult - we are going to be paying for this for a long, long time. Edited September 4, 2020 by Dr Gloom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7179 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) I refuse to give the government credit for the furlough scheme. They had no choice. And it’s suddenly not that radical when you consider just about every country in the EU did exactly the same. Cummings, Boris, Raab, Gove, Hunt, Patel et al can all burn in hell for me. They stole Brexit and fucked the nation for generations, completely bolloxed COVID resulting in massive loss of life and continue to stoke hatred on Immigration meaning the likes of Farage and Tommy R now have a voice and casual racism is alive and kicking again in all walks of life. Anyone defending them is either a cunt or stupid. (IDEMT) Edited September 4, 2020 by Kid Dynamite 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35595 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: I refuse to give the government credit for the furlough scheme. They had no choice. And it’s suddenly not that radical when you consider just about every country in the EU did exactly the same. Cummings, Boris, Raab, Gove, Hunt, Patel et al can all burn in hell for me. They stole Brexit and fucked the nation for generations, completely bolloxed COVID resulting in massive loss of life and continue to stoke hatred on Immigration meaning the likes of Farage and Tommy R now have a voice and casual racism is alive and kicking again in all walks of life. Anyone defending them is either a cunt or stupid. (IDEMT) More costly to the taxpayer because they dithered over lockdown too. It’s not like it’s their money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 It's my fucking money, I received fuck all from them and the cunts are going to screw me for the next decade to pay for Ashley's fluffer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 J69 arguing with himself. Nobody has credited the government as far as I can see. Not in this thread anyway. Most reasonable people can pass judgement on a single policy without being in favour of those who passed it. Ironically those who don't seem to be able to can usually be found complaining about how polarised politics have become because of social media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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