Newcastle United: Club Sold To PCP - Official

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

For balance, in 2018 Saudi Arabia carried out 149 executions. USA carried out 25 executions.

 

The legal systems of the 2 countries aren’t the polar opposites some would have you believe. Just ask any poor, black American 

[wykikitoon 20025]

I'm still pissing me knickers here. Until its happened I don't believe it. 

[Dr Gloom 21873]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

For balance, in 2018 Saudi Arabia carried out 149 executions. USA carried out 25 executions.

 

The legal systems of the 2 countries aren’t the polar opposites some would have you believe. Just ask any poor, black American 

they both execute people but howay man - they're worlds apart. 

[Tom 14011]

20 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

 

This is the pie chart of the Premier League's wealth. Please welcome English football's new overlords.

Jesus titty fucking Christ 

[Dr Gloom 21873]

i'm not seeing too much overlap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia

i mean, the US bible belt would probably like a religious police, but they don't actually have one

[Tdansmith 3254]

3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

I'm still pissing me knickers here. Until its happened I don't believe it. 

You wear knickers ?   I thought you were a bloke.  You could still wear knickers of course but that would be up to...oh never mind I'm drunk and talking shite 

[Alex 34970]

9 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

I still can't quite bring myself to believe it's going to happen. I feel a bit detached from the whole thing, and part of me thinks the moment I get excited the whole thing will disappear

Story of my life these days 

[tooner 243]

5 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

For balance, in 2018 Saudi Arabia carried out 149 executions. USA carried out 25 executions.

 

The legal systems of the 2 countries aren’t the polar opposites some would have you believe. Just ask any poor, black American 

I get where you are coming from, but you're grasping there.  All western society has systemically racist machinations which oppress certain portions of the population.

There is absolutely no need (or desire) for us as football supporters to rationalize the brutality of the Saudis, support your club. We aren't guilty by association.

[Alex 34970]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

they both execute people but howay man - they're worlds apart. 

In terms of the harm they do at home or abroad? 

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

Im not defending Saudi Arabia. I’ve seen ‘beheadings’ chucked about all over twitter as proof Saudi Arabia are barbaric. In America you can choose to be shot to death, gassed to death or hanged. I don’t see that mentioned when the Glazers took over Man United.

[Dr Gloom 21873]

Just now, Alex said:

In terms of the harm they do at home or abroad? 

it was the legal systems we were talking about

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

In terms of the harm they do at home or abroad? 

Saudi funded massacres in Yemen 

 

The US waged full scale war against Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria to install Western values in their governments and gain control of oil fields. They blow up kids at funerals and call it collateral damage. We’ve joined in some of it

[Tdansmith 3254]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Im not defending Saudi Arabia. I’ve seen ‘beheadings’ chucked about all over twitter as proof Saudi Arabia are barbaric. In America you can choose to be shot to death, gassed to death or hanged. I don’t see that mentioned when the Glazers took over Man United.

Fuck sake !  I never knew they did that to get the man utd gig. 

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

it was the legal systems we were talking about

Open the discussion up then. Saudi Arabia has some backwards traditions and laws. It’s a complex, multi faceted issue though, based on thousands of years of tradition and religious beliefs. The solution isn’t as simple as just switching to a British style justice system overnight.

[tooner 243]

5 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Im not defending Saudi Arabia. I’ve seen ‘beheadings’ chucked about all over twitter as proof Saudi Arabia are barbaric. In America you can choose to be shot to death, gassed to death or hanged. I don’t see that mentioned when the Glazers took over Man United.

false equivalency, just because both states have the death penalty doesn't mean that they arrive to that point in the same manner.

Edited April 22, 2020 by tooner

[Dr Gloom 21873]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Open the discussion up then. Saudi Arabia has some backwards traditions and laws. It’s a complex, multi faceted issue though, based on thousands of years of tradition and religious beliefs. The solution isn’t as simple as just switching to a British style justice system overnight.

i'm not here to defend US foreign policy btw. but the saudi legal system, if you can call it a legal system, is barbaric

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

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In 2007, King Abdullah issued royal decrees with the aim of reforming the judiciary and creating a new court system.[4]:160 The reforms have yet to be implemented in full but, once they are, will include the creation of a Supreme Court,[4]:160 and the transfer of the Board of Grievances' commercial and criminal jurisdictions to a restructured general court system.[4]:160 New specialist first instance courts will be established comprising general, criminal, personal status, commercial and labor courts.[4]:160 The Sharia courts will therefore lose their general jurisdiction to hear all cases and the work load of the government's administrative tribunals will be transferred to the new courts.[4]:160 Another important change is the establishment of appeal courts for each province.[4]:160 It has been claimed that the reforms will establish a system for codifying Sharia and incorporating the principle of judicial precedent into court practice.[8]

 

As I said. Reform isn’t an overnight process. Most Middle Eastern legal systems are barbaric by Western standards. 

[NJS 4375]

Have to say I'm worried by the BEIN thing because as we all know money trumps morals. 

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

4 minutes ago, tooner said:

false equivalency, just because both states have the death penalty doesn't mean that they arrive to that point in the same manner.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-woods-lethal-injection-alabama-death-penalty-us-a9384251.html

 

Not as different as some would have you believe 

[Dr Gloom 21873]

i'm all for the takeover btw - am firmly n the rayvin camp. the world is fucked - why not enjoy a good football team while it burns

[Rayvin 5189]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

i'm all for the takeover btw - am firmly n the rayvin camp. the world is fucked - why not enjoy a good football team while it burns

 

I'm not even in that camp anymore tbf  

 

I'm in the conflicted af camp now.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Rayvin

[Dr Gloom 21873]

3 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

 

As I said. Reform isn’t an overnight process. Most Middle Eastern legal systems are barbaric by Western standards. 

MBS has even started to let women go out of the house without a male chaperone lately. progress

[tooner 243]

4 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-woods-lethal-injection-alabama-death-penalty-us-a9384251.html

 

Not as different as some would have you believe 

that is a state thing not a US thing.  brutal though it is, it hardly makes the US and the Saudis equal.

 

FWIW I am completely against the death penalty as it is completely hypocritical, killing someone is wrong. Period. End of discussion.  There can't be "reasons" to kill someone. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by tooner

[Monkeys Fist 42225]

16 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

they both execute people but howay man - they're worlds apart. 

I think he’s making a fair point here tbh, Gloomy. 
If you’re a young, black male in the US today, you’re in a similar boat to anyone in Saudi who doesn’t toe the line- you’ll probably spend time in jail, your chances of being killed by the state are comparable, and your options to effect change are similarly fucked. 
That’s not to lessen the awfulness of the Saudi regime, clearly, but it’s a stark example that we are not as perfect as we like to think. 
 

[Monkeys Fist 42225]

8 minutes ago, NJS said:

Have to say I'm worried by the BEIN thing because as we all know money trumps morals. 

So relax, we’re way more minted.