williamrickson 7 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, ewerk said: Qatari human rights certainly hasn’t been an issue for most of us regarding Man City. We’ve called them cunts with regards to the World Cup and the issue of rights of migrant workers building the infrastructure but I’ve personally never let that cloud the judgment on your club. AH just posted a Morrisey track on another thread with the disclaimer that the man is a wanker. It’s very possible to like his music while detesting the man just as it’s possible to support the club while being abhorred at the owner’s country’s human rights record and military interventions. First off our owners are not Qatari I am not sure you would make the same mistake if our owner was say American. Also would be interested to know in what context you discussed our owners human rights record the world cup migrant workers rights etc that you got wrong. Was it when we played you for example in which case in what way is it relevant ? Or was it in some big ethical philosophical political debate in which case fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 https://theathletic.com/1772035/2020/04/26/fit-and-proper-premier-league-newcastle-takeover/?source=user_shared_article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3253 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, williamrickson said: Manchester City fan I come in peace I think most City fans will welcome your take over much rather fight for a title with you lot than London clubs or two clubs closer to home. Some of us will be wondering what you have been saying about our take over. Are you being consistent about Middle Eastern human rights and spending huge sums ? In my view the more competition the better it is for me as spectator I had a look at your take over topic and I think you are right to expect huge investment in both the club and Newcastle its self but do not expect it to be straight forward. First off whilst FFP is going to be relaxed due to the Corona virus but in a very minor way and if City are successful at CAS or in court it could be altered or scrapped. You are also helped by the change to the rules around new owners but. We got in ahead of the start of the rules and some would claim we fiddled the figures with UEA sponsorship money (I can explain later why this is not really the case and why City will win at CAS or in court and should never have been punished first time round let alone second) (Can Saudi Arabia do the same ?) Expect to probably over pay for a lot of players who are better than what you have but not amazing and then have to get rid of them for not very much money as you move up the league remember Wayne Bridge etc at city in the early days. On the investment in Newcastle area do not expect it to be that quick City have been slow to expand the ground the Academy took a while to be built compulsory purchase of United fans company. There is still a huge amount of land to develop New Arena finally proposed but still a lot left to put forward on site of the former proposed super casino and I think elsewhere. in the city I have read that the owner has something like 300 - 400 acres of land but the land everyone talks about is the academy 80 acres plus immediately round the ground a lot will depends on what the owners want and how much land is available more land more ambitious much much slower. I am sure our owner could have had thousands of flats built round the ground in no time but he wants some sort of Disneyland entertainment education sports thing and there is public transport to consider. Do not expect any early criticism of spending or human rights to go away at least not anytime soon Nice post and thanks, but i doubt you will be so nice when we take Kevin de Bruyne and others off you Edited April 26, 2020 by Tdansmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30420 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Just now, williamrickson said: First off our owners are not Qatari I am not sure you would make the same mistake if our owner was say American. Also would be interested to know in what context you discussed our owners human rights record the world cup migrant workers rights etc that you got wrong. Was it when we played you for example in which case in what way is it relevant ? Or was it in some big ethical philosophical political debate in which case fair enough Abu Dhabi obviously. A momentary lack of concentration. Still, they’re all the same anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, williamrickson said: First off our owners are not Qatari I am not sure you would make the same mistake if our owner was say American. Also would be interested to know in what context you discussed our owners human rights record the world cup migrant workers rights etc that you got wrong. Was it when we played you for example in which case in what way is it relevant ? Or was it in some big ethical philosophical political debate in which case fair enough You'd be surprised how many of those we have on here tbh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamrickson 7 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Manchester United fans have changed there tune on Middle Eastern Ownership first it was bad when it happened to us then it was going to be good when it was going to be them not you that Saudi Arabia took over now its bad that its happening to you So I was wondering if people on here had changed their mind ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21871 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: Abu Dhabi obviously. A momentary lack of concentration. Still, they’re all the same anyway. Reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30420 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Just now, williamrickson said: Manchester United fans have changed there tune on Middle Eastern Ownership first it was bad when it happened to us then it was going to be good when it was going to be them not you that Saudi Arabia took over now its bad that its happening to you So I was wondering if people on here had changed their mind ? Miguel Delaney is the prime example of a flip flopper on the issue. I genuinely don’t think too many on here had strong feelings about the issue. No one particularly cares where the money comes from as long as we’re seeing some form of investment and plan to move the club forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I can recall saying something along the lines of struggling to see Man City's success in the same way I see Man United or Liverpool's, basically because they had a blank cheque to buy worldbeaters rather than a good mix of homegrown and improved players, with a few stars sprinkled in (which I appreciate is a very charitable way of looking at Man Utd of more recent years, but was more true in years gone by). City beating Watford 5-0 in the FA Cup final was a depressing moment IMO, made me wonder what the point in anyone else even trying was. I have similar concerns about us if this goes through - maybe I'll find that it's the same, and I'll look on City differently as a result as well, I don't know. Certainly never struggled with the human rights aspect though, despite being a staunch believer in such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30420 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Aye but you’re a massive fanny. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9156 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) @williamrickson I'm 57, I was 6 when we won the fairs Cup in '69, I only have very faint recollections of it. other than a few years idolising supermac as a kid, the keegan promotion season in the mid 80s and the keegan and robson managerial years it's been a pretty rough ride for half a century. none more so than the last 13 years under the ownership of the hideous fat cunt from sportsdirect. I'd given up hope of ever seeing my club winning anything in the time I have left and who knows it might still be too late? what I do know is if these saudi's along with stavely and the reubin brothers make the possibility of seeing us lift some silverware come to fruition I'd happily sell me soul to the devil and I'm not really bothered how unethical that makes me. as regards yourselves and the mansours... about the only consideration I've given it is I wished to fuck they'd bought us instead back in '08 and I'd have been equally as morally bankrupt than as I am now in my happiness at seeing the back of a parasite whose sucked the soul out of nufc. Edited April 26, 2020 by thebrokendoll 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7287 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, williamrickson said: Manchester United fans have changed there tune on Middle Eastern Ownership first it was bad when it happened to us then it was going to be good when it was going to be them not you that Saudi Arabia took over now its bad that its happening to you So I was wondering if people on here had changed their mind ? To be honest it hasn't been talked about extensively on here until now (middle eastern ownership) as we've had more than our fair share of ownership problems much more front of mind. As far as Man City go we've been dudded by referees in matches against you guys in fairly recent times (Habib Beye being sent off comes to mind immediately) so I've enjoyed some of our more recent unexpected good results against you. Since you became the richest club in the country I've been happy for you to win because it nails home in a patent way that at the end of the day it's all about money. If you spend enough of it, you will become the best. Manchester United and Liverpool will try to make out that they don't spend like Man City and that there is some intrinsic power in the club that elevates them above others, but the truth once again is money and winning. Players want to be well paid (this is a big part of the motivation for wanting to play at a champion's league club, not just the prestige of the competition) and they want to win. So if this all goes through we will become a much more appealing destination for a higher calibre of player which could potentially lead to the return of champion's league football. TLDR; money has ruined the game, regardless of where it comes from. But, having suffered under Ashley's ham fisted tight arsed operations for an extended period I'm looking forward to the potential for us to show real ambition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Ashley’s plane is on its way back from Florida. I obviously don’t know if the fat cunt is on board and if it does have anything to do with the takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Morals and ethics are just words. What we want is GOALS. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34968 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, williamrickson said: Manchester United fans have changed there tune on Middle Eastern Ownership first it was bad when it happened to us then it was going to be good when it was going to be them not you that Saudi Arabia took over now its bad that its happening to you So I was wondering if people on here had changed their mind ? Re: Man City the ownership definitely didn’t bother me at all. I was a bit envious but that’s all. At the time the do-called elite needed a shake up and it did just that. I’ve probably thought about the human rights side of things much more for our proposed take over than other ones from the same part of the world. I think a lot of us on here have some reservations but are also finding the hypocrisy annoying and funny in equal measure. Mainly from the press. From the mackems it’s just funny. I.e. it’s ok for the Saudis to be a strategic ally we sell arms to. It was ok for Sheffield Utd. It was ok for Anthony Joshua and it was going to be fine for Man Utd etc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Alex said: Re: Man City the ownership definitely didn’t bother me at all. I was a bit envious but that’s all. At the time the do-called elite needed a shake up and it did just that. I’ve probably thought about the human rights side of things much more for our proposed take over than other ones from the same part of the world. I think a lot of us on here have some reservations but are also finding the hypocrisy annoying and funny in equal measure. Mainly from the press. From the mackems it’s just funny. I.e. it’s ok for the Saudis to be a strategic ally we sell arms to. It was ok for Sheffield Utd. It was ok for Anthony Joshua and it was going to be fine for Man Utd etc Be careful all those things are completely different from our takeover, for reasons none of the journalists will go into but it makes it somehow not hypocritical About the Man City takeover, I was jealous tbh as if it wasn’t for Ashley it would have likely been us. I’m of the same thoughts as Alex, that I’ve thought about the human rights issues far more with regard to our takeover, I can’t really think of discussing the background of the Abu Dhabi lot. I don’t view football as some exception, if they have the ability to freely invest elsewhere then investing in football shouldn’t be off limits. I find it hilarious that we’re now hearing people calling us a ‘community club’ and that this ruins that, did they miss the prior 13 years of some arrogant fat carpet bagger just stomping all over each and every tradition, legend, or hope for the club? They can all do one as far as I’m concerned. Edited April 26, 2020 by Howay 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34968 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Aye, community clubs largely died out a long time ago but m, fuck me, the last 13 years has seen us become just about as removed from being that as it’s possible to be 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Alex said: Aye, community clubs largely died out a long time ago but m, fuck me, the last 13 years has seen us become just about as removed from being that as it’s possible to be The bloke literally changed the name of the stadium for no gain to him, you could argue the decision really was for him to make more money but then why did he then set up what was essentially a photo opp where a bloke with a crowbar ripped the name of the stadium off? That’s how much of a massive disrespectful cunt he was to the fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30420 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Isegrim said: Ashley’s plane is on its way back from Florida. I obviously don’t know if the fat cunt is on board and if it does have anything to do with the takeover. It’d be just our luck for his plane to go down now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: It’d be just our luck for his plane to go down now. That horrifying thought did spring to my mind, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34968 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Like that bit in Partridge when the bloke dies just after agreeing to give him a new series 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Give me £260bn quid, you bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Polarboy 2311 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Unsurprisingly half the YouTube comments are asking who the girl with the hoop earrings in the chorus is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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