trooper 940 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Some people suggesting the "relegation clause" could be worth nearly £100 million. That could be the shortfall of the tv revenue money £100 million in the Premiership as oppose to £5/6 million in the Championship. Edited December 14, 2017 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 The deal is on, troops, chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Imagine paying attention to anything Michael Martin says. The bloke is a bell end of the highest order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 The Michael Martin tweet got my attention first. But the Sky Sports running with the relegation clause still in place has got me thinking. If we were relegated ( i dont fancy it again) it would mean Amanda could potentially get the club for £200 million something the fat lad will never allow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30252 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Relegation would mean we're a Championship club two seasons out of three, a yo yo club at best. Plus we wouldn't have Rafa at the helm next season. It would massively reduce our value. Mike Ashley is a betting man though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 If it doesn't happen now he'll put a massive spin on it, he'll be back on Sky Sports "they wanted me to gamble a£100 million on not going down. Now i like a flutter as you know but even that was too much for me" That way he paints Amanda & PCP as the bad guys he's an absolute b'stard i thought we eere going to be rid of him now im jot so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10709 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 You may as well sleep in a floatation tank. It'd save on laundry bills mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42048 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 So after all the optimism of the other day, we're back where we started again Impressive stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10709 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, Rayvin said: So after all the optimism of the other day, we're back where we started again Impressive stuff. I'm not, I'm plotting a steady course. And, as always, giggling at you lot lurching from mania to sorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 hours ago, trooper said: The Michael Martin tweet got my attention first. But the Sky Sports running with the relegation clause still in place has got me thinking. If we were relegated ( i dont fancy it again) it would mean Amanda could potentially get the club for £200 million something the fat lad will never allow. the deal does include a relegation clause where fatty has to pay her some comp, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 37 minutes ago, Rayvin said: So after all the optimism of the other day, we're back where we started again Impressive stuff. nothing has changed. the deal is still close. it won't happen until after the window but ashley will release funds underwritten by stavley. and it will be sizeably more than the £15m including wages or whatever miserly amount he was prepared to throw in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I don't see why we can't just get an external loan tbh - for all his talk about not having available income, what drawback would there be to a bit of external gearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30252 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 High interest rates for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 29 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: the deal does include a relegation clause where fatty has to pay her some comp, yes. According to what Sky Sports were reporting last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, ewerk said: High interest rates for one. Yeah but for the sake of ensuring safety, it's probably worth it. Ashley has made out that his constraint is available funds on a personal basis - but a high interest rate isn't worth getting relegated over. Hard to imagine Stavely being put off by it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Ashley just lurches from one fuck up to another with NUFC doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10709 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yeah but for the sake of ensuring safety, it's probably worth it. Ashley has made out that his constraint is available funds on a personal basis - but a high interest rate isn't worth getting relegated over. Hard to imagine Stavely being put off by it either. Aye but spending £30m of his own money safe in the knowledge that expenditure is covered by PCP, makes a lot more sense than gambling that the £30m of his own money would see some return in the future from success on the pitch, or in the transfer market? Surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, The Fish said: Aye but spending £30m of his own money safe in the knowledge that expenditure is covered by PCP, makes a lot more sense than gambling that the £30m of his own money would see some return in the future from success on the pitch, or in the transfer market? Surely? I was thinking more that we may need to spend a higher amount than £30m tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10709 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: I was thinking more that we may need to spend a higher amount than £30m tbh. Fair enough, but the fact remains that whatever the sum is, it's underwritten by PCP. If he literally cannot stump up £50m or whatever, then I'm convinced there'll be ways that PCP can get the money they want to spend, to Benitez. Ways that do not include Ashley phoning Wonga for a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) The thing is though, gearing is actually a financially sound strategy. A bit awkward for PCP maybe given that they don't actually own the club yet, but if they can get a better return on £50m by investing it in a high yield business or stock, than they would lose by agreeing to an external loan for NUFC, then they would/should do it. This is why loads of big companies take on debt. Their own money works harder for them elsewhere. That said, maybe it's less appealing in football due to the volatility of what happens to club incomes due to relegations etc. Edited December 15, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10709 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: The thing is though, gearing is actually a financially sound strategy. A bit awkward for PCP maybe given that they don't actually own the club yet, but if they can get a better return on £50m by investing it in a high yield business or stock, than they would lose by agreeing to an external loan for NUFC, then they would/should do it. This is why loads of big companies take on debt. Their own money works harder for them elsewhere. That said, maybe it's less appealing in football due to the volatility of what happens to club incomes due to relegations etc. There's the rub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30252 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Man United aside I don't think that there's any club in the PL with the level of external debt you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 What is our debt to Ashley 121m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 unfortunately, i am going to have to retract my bullish comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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