Rayvin 5176 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, ewerk said: She has helped facilitate multi-billion pound investments in the past. She isn't a small player. She isn't going to gain anything in publicity from all this. Â Remember Gloom's theory about how she's doing this to demonstrate that she won't just keeping upping her offer for Liverpool though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30240 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Park Life said: They bought Man City on the cheap and were laughed out of the room at Anfield. They might have a few billion but it clearly isn't all earmarked for football looking at their failed bids in other areas. Funds are continually looking to up the perception of their footprint as there literally are hundreds out there with many billions to spend. Positioning is everything as they are constantly trying to attract more money and the fund game competition is fierce. Buying into the PL automatically gains many column inches because of its world wide reach. The publicity would have done them no harm - unless they fail of course. In saying that she would be better than the fat cunt we have in place as there would be a desire to grow our business with a long term outlook. Â PCP didn't buy Man City. Nor did they buy into Barclays when they facilitated a ÂŁ7bn investment into the bank. I'm still not convinced that PCP are the end purchasers here. They can't expect any sort of dividend from the club and we're not at a level where we'd be a trophy purchase. None of it makes sense from a business perspective. She didn't necessarily walk away from Liverpool because she (or her backer) didn't have the money but because it's incredibly overpriced. We represent much better value, even at Ashley's asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21809 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Rayvin said: Â Remember Gloom's theory about how she's doing this to demonstrate that she won't just keeping upping her offer for Liverpool though... Â it wasn't my theory!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited)   http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11156852/likelihood-of-a-newcastle-takeover-before-the-new-year-is-fanciful-says-christian-purslow According to this nothing if anything will happen until the end of the season Reading over on N.O. there's an article on the back page of todays  Times saying Stavely's given Ashley 2 weeks to accept a £250 million bid Edited December 5, 2017 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19878 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Surprised? Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Â https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/mike-ashley-given-two-weeks-to-accept-offer-for-newcastle-united-zt7x8m52h There's the linky to The Times article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 http://ashleyout.com/myths/ashley-wants-out-no-buyers/ A long read but sort of pulls all his other attempts to sell the club "cough" together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30240 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, trooper said:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/mike-ashley-given-two-weeks-to-accept-offer-for-newcastle-united-zt7x8m52h There's the linky to The Times article  I think it's obvious that if a deal is to be done before Christmas then an offer needs to be accepted in the next two weeks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Sky Sports: Seven days to improve bid? Sky Sports are claiming that Amanda Staveley has SEVEN days to improve her current bid of £250 million for the club. Amanda Staveley’s present £250m offer to buy Newcastle needs to make significant progress in the next seven working days if it is to stand a chance of succeeding, Sky Sports News understands. Sources close to the deal have told Sky Sports News that reports Newcastle owner Mike Ashley has been given a two-week deadline to accept PCP Capital Partners’ offer are inaccurate. Sky Sports News understands any agreement this week would not be concluded until the second or third week of January at the earliest, partly because any deal needs Premier League ratification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Not going to happen. ÂŁ250m is fucking miles away unless Ashley has climbed down significantly. Â Was a nice thought while it lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerbarton 24 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Craig Hope has said Ashley might be willing to listen to a ÂŁ300m upfront payment (without clauses), and says there's still hope as both sides are very keen on a deal being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19878 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 It's not going to happen. Ashley is a fucking fool. At least we got on TV more in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21809 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 hmmm. i can't believe she isn't going to increase her bid ... if she's serious about buying the club. she's so far from ashley's valuation, she has to surely try to meet him a bit closer in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10701 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: hmmm. i can't believe she isn't going to increase her bid ... if she's serious about buying the club. she's so far from ashley's valuation, she has to surely try to meet him a bit closer in the middle Hoping that she's trying to bring him down into a more reasonable, negotiable area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 The club's debt to Ashley is ÂŁ180m or something right? So she's basically offered him ÂŁ70m for the club. Â I mean... I don't want to say that's derisory, but it really looks it. You'd think the full weight of the playing staff in terms of market value would exceed ÂŁ70m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30240 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 He bought us for ÂŁ134m and our debt to him is ÂŁ127m. He should be over the moon to get any sort of profit from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I think £250 million is a fair offer cosidering he paid that including the loan for the club so essentialy he's getting his money back. Factor in a decade of free advertising for SD our current form & league postion, the value of the squad & the inevitable HMRC fine.i think it might be time to take the money & run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ewerk said: He bought us for ÂŁ134m and our debt to him is ÂŁ127m. He should be over the moon to get any sort of profit from us. Â My bad. In which case the offer seems more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30240 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Especially when you consider the status of the club nowadays. Ashley bought a club that had qualified for Europe in 5 out of the previous 6 seasons. We've qualified once since he took over. We're a much weakened club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I think his £400/380 is well over valued for the state the clubs in now. The value of the playing squad must be buttons compared to other teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 If we're to trust these valuations & bids we've no idea except what we've read then there's a massive gap of between ÂŁ130 to ÂŁ150 million even if Stavely offers a bit more it'll be still well short of Ashleys alleged valuation of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10701 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, trooper said: I think his £400/380 is well over valued for the state the clubs in now. The value of the playing squad must be buttons compared to other teams Club(s) Squad Age Foreign players Total market value ø Market value  521 27,3 Years 350 £5.21bn £10.00m Chelsea FC 26 27,0 24 £568.71m £21.87m Manchester City 21 27,1 17 £566.55m £26.98m Manchester United 25 27,5 18 £533.48m £21.34m Tottenham Hotspur 24 26,1 17 £495.90m £20.66m Liverpool FC 29 25,6 18 £463.05m £15.97m Arsenal FC 26 27,5 19 £457.20m £17.58m Everton FC 31 26,6 18 £301.73m £9.73m Southampton FC 27 26,4 15 £230.04m £8.52m Leicester City 26 28,1 18 £219.15m £8.43m West Ham United 24 27,6 18 £194.31m £8.10m Crystal Palace 27 27,7 17 £171.54m £6.35m Stoke City 24 28,0 17 £144.45m £6.02m West Bromwich Albion 22 29,4 15 £140.63m £6.39m Swansea City 26 27,5 26 £138.69m £5.33m Watford FC 30 27,7 23 £135.00m £4.50m Newcastle United  27 25,8 18 £123.30m £4.57m AFC Bournemouth 27 27,0 12 £105.08m £3.89m Brighton & Hove Albion  28 28,2 19 £89.10m £3.18m Burnley FC 25 28,7 14 £82.35m £3.29m Huddersfield Town  26 26,8 16 £52.20m £2.01m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, The Fish said: Club(s) Squad Age Foreign players Total market value ø Market value  521 27,3 Years 350 £5.21bn £10.00m Chelsea FC 26 27,0 24 £568.71m £21.87m Manchester City 21 27,1 17 £566.55m £26.98m Manchester United 25 27,5 18 £533.48m £21.34m Tottenham Hotspur 24 26,1 17 £495.90m £20.66m Liverpool FC 29 25,6 18 £463.05m £15.97m Arsenal FC 26 27,5 19 £457.20m £17.58m Everton FC 31 26,6 18 £301.73m £9.73m Southampton FC 27 26,4 15 £230.04m £8.52m Leicester City 26 28,1 18 £219.15m £8.43m West Ham United 24 27,6 18 £194.31m £8.10m Crystal Palace 27 27,7 17 £171.54m £6.35m Stoke City 24 28,0 17 £144.45m £6.02m West Bromwich Albion 22 29,4 15 £140.63m £6.39m Swansea City 26 27,5 26 £138.69m £5.33m Watford FC 30 27,7 23 £135.00m £4.50m Newcastle United  27 25,8 18 £123.30m £4.57m AFC Bournemouth 27 27,0 12 £105.08m £3.89m Brighton & Hove Albion  28 28,2 19 £89.10m £3.18m Burnley FC 25 28,7 14 £82.35m £3.29m Huddersfield Town  26 26,8 16 £52.20m £2.01m Whats the final column mate the £4.57 m ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) is it the average value per player ? Edited December 5, 2017 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9732 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I think an offer of 250m up front with a non relegation bonus payment of around 50m would seem a fair offer. At least better than a compensation clause that has been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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