Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Joselu couldn't finish his dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3259 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 As much as i like Chris Hughton he went right down in my opinion of him when he defended Hemed's stamp on Yedlin saying that he did not show intent. Absolute bollocks Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelie 103 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Billy Whitehurst said: So if Lascelles doesn't put in a match winning performance then he should be dropped for a player who is currently injured? No wonder they say that football fans are fickle. To my knowledge, Lejeune is in training and over his ankle injury. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Yesterday was very similar to the Huddersfield game, very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 13 hours ago, Billy Whitehurst said: They'll be all over it on MOTD2. There was only one match today and there aren't many incidents to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Tdansmith said: As much as i like Chris Hughton he went right down in my opinion of him when he defended Hemed's stamp on Yedlin saying that he did not show intent. Absolute bollocks Chris. What was he supposed to say? Unless it's absolutely 100% clear that he was in the wrong every manager will defend their player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 13 hours ago, Haydnator said: I've not read any of this thread/this place nor seen any coverage but, having been there, I thought we deserved a point and I certainly didn't think they'd done enough to take all 3. Merino was the best player on the pitch, first half in particular. Everything went through him. If anything, Brighton seemed to out-Rafa us, in that they were compact, organised and very deep. The ball from Merino to Shelvey around the 83 minute mark which was phenomenal. Indicating that Merino will find him if they're playing together. I thought Perez was awful first half and Joselu may need a spell out of the side too. Gayle would've had two today. Atsu had Bruno on toast in the 1st half so should have been used more and more. Aye we played a similar style to each other in the championship as well. We'll fare better against sides that are better than Brighton on paper because they won't be as well drilled at set pieces and who aren't going into the game as underdogs that we have to break down. Ritchie had a poor game by his standards and our final ball was lacking from all the creative players. Joselu adds a lot to the team, but by christ he needs to score some of the opportunities that he does well to get into the right positions for. But for one poor bit of defending, or had we taken one of our chances we'd have got the draw we deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 That one big chance Joseph had he should have at least tested the keeper. If he'd just looked up he could have placed it by it was head down from the moment he got the ball under control. It's a tricky one for Rafa: do you play the striker who provides a target and links the play, but who can't finish, or do you go for the lad who banged then in last year, offers an out ball with his pace and get get in behind defences but who can't contribute as much with his back to gol? Why not play them both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: That one big chance Joseph had he should have at least tested the keeper. If he'd just looked up he could have placed it by it was head down from the moment he got the ball under control. It's a tricky one for Rafa: do you play the striker who provides a target and links the play, but who can't finish, or do you go for the lad who banged then in last year, offers an out ball with his pace and get get in behind defences but who can't contribute as much with his back to gol? Why not play them both? I agree that this does seem like a sensible route, but one assumes Rafa has thought of it and dismissed it for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Why not play them both? Particularly when we don't have a No.10 worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Playing both strikers would leave us with 2 in the centre and I'm guessing Benitez prefers 3 players around that area, even if the 3rd is just a busy #10 like Perez. Should mean we can stifle their play more and (with a better #10) still provide an attacking threat. We should play Mitr, he holds up play and bangs 'em in* * for his national team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Whitehurst 895 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 hours ago, The Fish said: Did they not even mention it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 joselu could play slightly deeper as a target and have gayle further up the pitch. i don't think the shape would have to change that much. i would understand not trying it if we had an outstanding number 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: joselu could play slightly deeper as a target and have gayle further up the pitch. i don't think the shape would have to change that much. i would understand not trying it if we had an outstanding number 10. That would mean dropping Perez, which is something Rafa is unable to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 fuck knows why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 33 minutes ago, Billy Whitehurst said: Did they not even mention it? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: joselu could play slightly deeper as a target and have gayle further up the pitch. i don't think the shape would have to change that much. i would understand not trying it if we had an outstanding number 10. Not sure about Joselu's close control, eye for a defence splitting pass, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Fish said: Not sure about Joselu's close control, eye for a defence splitting pass, etc. i'm sure perez doesn't have any of that on this season's form. joselu has shown he has got a decent touch, can link play and bring others into the game. it's his finishing that's letting him down. why couldn't he do it from a more withdrawn striker position, with gayle stretching the back four with his pace, looking to get on to flicks etc? the shape behind wouldn't have to change. joselu has good workrate too - i saw him tracking back a few times and helping out the midfield, winning balls, yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4379 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Noelie said: To my knowledge, Lejeune is in training and over his ankle injury. Correct me if I'm wrong. He wasnt on the bench and Rafa mentioned him along with Dummet as being injured - not sure if its a reaction or as usual, he was declared fit too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Whitehurst 895 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 54 minutes ago, The Fish said: I don't think so. That's really poor given the frothing at the mouth over the Shelvey and Mitrovic incidents and even Ritchie the other week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i'm sure perez doesn't have any of that on this season's form. joselu has shown he has got a decent touch, can link play and bring others into the game. it's his finishing that's letting him down. why couldn't he do it from a more withdrawn striker position, with gayle stretching the back four with his pace, looking to get on to flicks etc? the shape behind wouldn't have to change. joselu has good workrate too - i saw him tracking back a few times and helping out the midfield, winning balls, yesterday. Maybe. He's not played there before though, has he? Isn't this similar to when people see a centre back who can trap and pass a ball, and people call for him to be played as a defensive midfielder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Billy Whitehurst said: That's really poor given the frothing at the mouth over the Shelvey and Mitrovic incidents and even Ritchie the other week. Yeah, all we're after is consistency. It's not some kind of anti-Newcastle agenda, and I get why the stamp wouldn't be as interesting given they've recently covered one, but we don't seem to benefit from these kinds of things as much as we suffer for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Fish said: Maybe. He's not played there before though, has he? Isn't this similar to when people see a centre back who can trap and pass a ball, and people call for him to be played as a defensive midfielder? Is it? I don't see his role changing much, other than him playing a bit deeper. Perez is struggling to control the ball as well as our centre halves right now. And has he played a single defence splitting pass yet? I can't remember him even providing an assist yet this season Edited September 25, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Is it? I don't see his role changing much, other than him playing a bit deeper. Perez is struggling to control the ball as well as our centre halves right now. And has he played a single defence splitting pass yet? I can't remember him even providing an assist yet this season Square pegs, round holes aren't they? fwiw I'd give Gayle longer against Liverpool, but I'd stick with Joselu up top. I'd be tempted to play a 4-1-4-1 Hayden sat deep, Shelvey and Merino in the centre with Joselu given the unenviable task of relieving pressure, winning freekicks and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 i don't know what shape peg perez is, or what size hole he's supposed to fit in. i don't see why joselu couldn't work with gayle playing off him, and the rest as they were behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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