Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Dazzler 9742]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Different eras are difficult to compare too. He was undoubtedly the best player on the planet for a good few years in the 80s as well. For me the thing with Pele that sets him apart is he was the complete all round player. Two-footed and could do everything superbly well. I think him and Maradona are on a different plane to the rest so far as the twentieth century goes though 

For their countries they are probably neck and neck - with Pele coming out on top, but overall Maradona has to go down as the better player for me.

 

Pele never tested himself at club level, and stayed where his record could get some padding/massaging - and even counted friendlies in his overall stats (which if you counted friendlies for Messi and the Portuguese rapist he'd probably be some distance behind them). Maradona at the very least tested himself (and the local marching powders) in different countries, and excelled. Pele stayed in Brazil and went to the states which sets him back for me as he never put his ability to the test at an actually good standard at club level.

 

Plus Maradona would have jawed him, all day, every day.

[Dazzler 9742]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

Forest have their appeal rejected  

The twitter response from them should be exceptional.

[Craig 6682]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

Forest have their appeal rejected  

 

And yet Man City continue without any sanction whatsoever. The arbitrary nature in which they've issued points deductions, partially rescinded them in the case of Everton and then added more is utterly ridiculous. Irrespective of who you support, no-one should be comfortable with this shit-show. 

Everton have been handed a total of 12 deducted points this season. Luton are currently 11 points behind them and in the relegation places, if it finishes like that you can see Luton taking them to court. Utterly ridiculous.

[Alex 35077]

1 minute ago, Dazzler said:

For their countries they are probably neck and neck - with Pele coming out on top, but overall Maradona has to go down as the better player for me.

 

Pele never tested himself at club level, and stayed where his record could get some padding/massaging - and even counted friendlies in his overall stats (which if you counted friendlies for Messi and the Portuguese rapist he'd probably be some distance behind them). Maradona at the very least tested himself (and the local marching powders) in different countries, and excelled. Pele stayed in Brazil and went to the states which sets him back for me as he never put his ability to the test at an actually good standard at club level.

 

Plus Maradona would have jawed him, all day, every day.

That’s a complete myth tbh. The Brazilian league was arguably the best in the world at that time. Santos won back to back Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cups to help prove that. So he didn’t just excel in Brazil in he won four international trophies at club level. For context, Santos have won 8 in their history. He was the best player in the world when he was 17, scored fucking outrageous goals winning the World Cup at that age. 12 years later, he was past his best, after nearly a decade and a half of playing year round football and a ridiculous amount of games. But he was still the best player in the best international side ever. The NASL era was just a bit of retirement money tbh. Same for the likes of Cruyff and Beckenbauer. He could handle himself as well as Maradona could too. 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

16 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

For their countries they are probably neck and neck - with Pele coming out on top, but overall Maradona has to go down as the better player for me.

 

Pele never tested himself at club level, and stayed where his record could get some padding/massaging - and even counted friendlies in his overall stats (which if you counted friendlies for Messi and the Portuguese rapist he'd probably be some distance behind them). Maradona at the very least tested himself (and the local marching powders) in different countries, and excelled. Pele stayed in Brazil and went to the states which sets him back for me as he never put his ability to the test at an actually good standard at club level.

 

Plus Maradona would have jawed him, all day, every day.

 

let's see how pele would get on if he was up all night sniffing coke and shagging prossies

 

[Alex 35077]

He was bang into that too tbh. Wtf do you think he was doing in Studio 54? 

[Dazzler 9742]

It doesn't matter anyway, because both are second and third to Messi. Only people wearing the rose tinted spectacles that went out of fashion in the 70s and 80s would think otherwise

[Alex 35077]

Never tested himself outside of Spain tbh 

[Dazzler 9742]

9 minutes ago, Alex said:

Never tested himself outside of Spain tbh 

Tested himself in France, and finished his career stealing a living in America. Similar trajectory to Pele - only with an extra layer of complexity

[Alex 35077]

Just now, Dazzler said:

Tested himself in France

Stop it! 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

19 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

It doesn't matter anyway, because both are second and third to Messi. Only people wearing the rose tinted spectacles that went out of fashion in the 70s and 80s would think otherwise

 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

22 minutes ago, Alex said:

He was bang into that too tbh. Wtf do you think he was doing in Studio 54? 

 

diego would snort him under the table any day man

[ewerk 30598]

3 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Forest have their appeal rejected  

 

Nearly as funny as the name of the BBC journalist covering the story.

 

[The Fish 10856]

1 hour ago, Craig said:

 

And yet Man City continue without any sanction whatsoever. The arbitrary nature in which they've issued points deductions, partially rescinded them in the case of Everton and then added more is utterly ridiculous. Irrespective of who you support, no-one should be comfortable with this shit-show. 

Everton have been handed a total of 12 deducted points this season. Luton are currently 11 points behind them and in the relegation places, if it finishes like that you can see Luton taking them to court. Utterly ridiculous.

 

Forest and Everton have 1 or 2 pretty straight forwards cases to answer for. Man City have over a hundred. @LondonBlue has posted about it before, but it seems that neither party are interested in a swift resolution and so that's why it's dragging on.

 

Adjacent to that is the ridiculous timing of the points deductions and reinstatements. This should have been wrapped up in the summer, or by that weird half winter break thing we had. That way the teams around them know what they need to do. If this happens again next season, you could very well get a scenario where some bureaucrats relegate the team who finished 17th after the 18th placed side wins their appeal the week after the season ends. It's bullshit.

[Alex 35077]

23 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Nearly as funny as the name of the BBC journalist covering the story.

 

There’s a job(bie) for him at the SoL if it all goes to shit 

[aimaad22 4156]

5 hours ago, Alex said:

That’s a complete myth tbh. The Brazilian league was arguably the best in the world at that time. Santos won back to back Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cups to help prove that. So he didn’t just excel in Brazil in he won four international trophies at club level. For context, Santos have won 8 in their history. He was the best player in the world when he was 17, scored fucking outrageous goals winning the World Cup at that age. 12 years later, he was past his best, after nearly a decade and a half of playing year round football and a ridiculous amount of games. But he was still the best player in the best international side ever. The NASL era was just a bit of retirement money tbh. Same for the likes of Cruyff and Beckenbauer. He could handle himself as well as Maradona could too. 

 

Ive always thought this.

 

And obviously I've only watched him on videos but just the way he played man, he could do absolutely everything. The way he could stand in a 5 yard space and beat 3 international defenders was incredible. It's hard to make a case against Messi for the all time great now but not even he or Maradona dribbled past people in the way Pele did, or navigated the ball in close spaces, casually flicking the ball over people's heads and what not  

 

Wasn't there a video someone did when Pele died, showing Pele do every trick or flick before another great of the game that the thing would usually be associated with; from Cruyff to Maradona to Ronaldinho to Zidane. The man was football itself.  

[Monkeys Fist 42412]

4 hours ago, ewerk said:

 

Nearly as funny as the name of the BBC journalist covering the story.

 

What’s funny about Bobbie Jackson? 
 

[Dazzler 9742]

24 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

 

Ive always thought this.

 

And obviously I've only watched him on videos but just the way he played man, he could do absolutely everything. The way he could stand in a 5 yard space and beat 3 international defenders was incredible. It's hard to make a case against Messi for the all time great now but not even he or Maradona dribbled past people in the way Pele did, or navigated the ball in close spaces, casually flicking the ball over people's heads and what not  

 

Wasn't there a video someone did when Pele died, showing Pele do every trick or flick before another great of the game that the thing would usually be associated with; from Cruyff to Maradona to Ronaldinho to Zidane. The man was football itself.  

Messi was never a step over, tricky type of player though. When prime messi was on a run the ball was literally glued to his foot, and he was incredibly difficult to knock off the ball. He used to go past the full 11 opposition players on his way to goal. Probably, still does but in the MLS it doesn’t count. So he did it just differently to Pele, the kid is a fucking wizard.

 

I honestly don’t get the greatest arguments though (even though I tongue in cheek involved myself in one earlier) because it’s subjective and everyone has a different reason for why they feel it’s Pele, Maradona etc. You could argue that Pele couldn’t have hacked the modern game as defenders are fitter, bigger, stronger and faster than in his day. Then again, he was intelligent and could adapt. Maradona would have done an Eriksen in his first month in the modern game as the intensity and the Charlie combined.

[Gemmill 44851]

Pele fucked his legacy with the Viagra ads tbh. 

[Dazzler 9742]

3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Pele was pushing rope on his legacy with the Viagra ads tbh. 

FYP

[Toonpack 9399]

48 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

Messi was never a step over, tricky type of player though. When prime messi was on a run the ball was literally glued to his foot, and he was incredibly difficult to knock off the ball. He used to go past the full 11 opposition players on his way to goal. Probably, still does but in the MLS it doesn’t count. So he did it just differently to Pele, the kid is a fucking wizard.

 

I honestly don’t get the greatest arguments though (even though I tongue in cheek involved myself in one earlier) because it’s subjective and everyone has a different reason for why they feel it’s Pele, Maradona etc. You could argue that Pele couldn’t have hacked the modern game as defenders are fitter, bigger, stronger and faster than in his day. Then again, he was intelligent and could adapt. Maradona would have done an Eriksen in his first month in the modern game as the intensity and the Charlie combined.

Defenders may be bigger, faster and stronger these days but they can't kick lumps out of you like Pele had to deal with, the fucker's would never get the ball off him.

[aimaad22 4156]

1 hour ago, Dazzler said:

I honestly don’t get the greatest arguments though (even though I tongue in cheek involved myself in one earlier) because it’s subjective and everyone has a different reason for why they feel it’s Pele, Maradona etc. 

 

Yes but it's fun to jump into every now. It's hard to argue against Messi tbh, even before the World Cup win I thought he'd done enough. What I think most reasonable people should agree on is that Ronaldo shouln't even feature in this conversation  (CR7 of course, the Brazilian lad I have a lot of time for)

 

A good excuse to watch this again:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RFJ3rYMP-WkXnxrhq8HOdVKw8mhQOTFo/view?usp=sharing

 

[Alex 35077]

2 hours ago, aimaad22 said:

 

Ive always thought this.

 

And obviously I've only watched him on videos but just the way he played man, he could do absolutely everything. The way he could stand in a 5 yard space and beat 3 international defenders was incredible. It's hard to make a case against Messi for the all time great now but not even he or Maradona dribbled past people in the way Pele did, or navigated the ball in close spaces, casually flicking the ball over people's heads and what not  

 

Wasn't there a video someone did when Pele died, showing Pele do every trick or flick before another great of the game that the thing would usually be associated with; from Cruyff to Maradona to Ronaldinho to Zidane. The man was football itself.  

When he plays one-twos with the defenders legs and stuff like that. You’d think it was a fluke but he did it so often.  This is the clip I think you meant btw: 

 

 

[aimaad22 4156]

Cheers 👍

[Monkeys Fist 42412]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

Pele fucked his legacy with the Viagra ads tbh. 

Fucked his Mrs. again though , so silver linings and that.