Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Dr Gloom 21915]

On 04/05/2024 at 23:47, Howmanheyman said:

 

He was much better than Riviere. (Not a high bar but still).

I remember them both being absolute donkeys. One of a series of under par budget strikers signed in the later stage of the Ashley era - along with de Jong, Doumbia, Slimani and probably a few others I forget - until Wilson bucked the trend.

 

I’m staggered that he’s ended up having a good career based on what he did for us. just checked his stats and he managed 6 goals for us from 46 appearances over two seasons. I’m surprised it was that many. The one goal he did score that stays with me was a shocking mis-kick. Against Liverpool I want to say? 

 

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

He was very good at Seville… less good at Real and with Spain but West Ham are hardly likely to be able to attract a coach from the level above… he did pretty well at Wolves, they looked fucked but they ended up 13th or something?..

Managed to coach Porto, Spain and Real Madrid and was sacked from all 3 without winning a trophy. Got Wolves to 13th. I'm not overly worried 

[RobinRobin 11263]

44 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I remember them both being absolute donkeys. One of a series of under par budget strikers signed in the later stage of the Ashley era - along with de Jong, Doumbia, Slimani and probably a few others I forget - until Wilson bucked the trend.

 

I’m staggered that he’s ended up having a good career based on what he did for us. just checked his stats and he managed 6 goals for us from 46 appearances over two seasons. I’m surprised it was that many. The one goal he did score that stays with me was a shocking mis-kick. Against Liverpool I want to say? 

 

Thought they didn't count. 🙂 

[RobinRobin 11263]

Cue Manu players getting their new hairdos

[PaddockLad 17246]

13 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Managed to coach Porto, Spain and Real Madrid and was sacked from all 3 without winning a trophy. Got Wolves to 13th. I'm not overly worried 

 

People letting the good be the enemy of the excellent is illogical but will never go away  

 

Is Thomas Tuchel likely to roll up in Stratford then? … would West Ham be mad to appoint Kieran McKenna?… no one gets a fuckin chance do they? We appointed someone who’d never finished above 10th in the premier league… I wasn’t keen (I thought Emery would’ve been great and was disappointed when he turned us down) but it’s not been too shabby has it? 
 

 

 

 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13863]

Saying Howe hadn’t finished above 10th slightly diminishes his insane achievements with Bournemouth, like. Think he was always going to get a chance at a bigger club but he was clearly waiting for the right opportunity

[Howmanheyman 33166]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

I remember them both being absolute donkeys. One of a series of under par budget strikers signed in the later stage of the Ashley era - along with de Jong, Doumbia, Slimani and probably a few others I forget - until Wilson bucked the trend.

 

I’m staggered that he’s ended up having a good career based on what he did for us. just checked his stats and he managed 6 goals for us from 46 appearances over two seasons. I’m surprised it was that many. The one goal he did score that stays with me was a shocking mis-kick. Against Liverpool I want to say? 

 

 

I think Rafa would've been over the moon with what he contributed, he was basically left up shit creek without a paddle nor a striker with £5m to spend, (probably included wages as well!) Rafa knew we were in trouble so does what he can and gets him from Stoke reserves and has the kid grafting his bollocks off so the limited side he had could keep in the game and defend from the front whilst the likes of Neville saying Rafa would get football done away with as we managed to avoid getting hidings from clubs who could spend at will. He definitely wasn't a great striker but he was significantly better than Riviere is my point although he the Frenchman never had a savvy manager like joselu did to be fair to him. Anyway, we've had a lot worse than Joselu is my main point. We had about half a season with only him up front iirc as I'm sure Rondon was injured and Gayle was sent to West Bromwich on loan.

Edited May 6 by Howmanheyman

[Ayatollah Hermione 13863]

IIRC, Riviere looked pretty handy in pre-season to the point where a few people had hoped Carr had found another gem. Then the competitive games began and he was fucking dogshit  

[PaddockLad 17246]

22 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Saying Howe hadn’t finished above 10th slightly diminishes his insane achievements with Bournemouth, like. Think he was always going to get a chance at a bigger club but he was clearly waiting for the right opportunity

And after he’s left Newcastle he’ll continue to get chances at big clubs . So has Lopetegui after his achievements at Seville. That’s how it works. I think he’s a decent appointment for West Ham. 

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

54 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Saying Howe hadn’t finished above 10th slightly diminishes his insane achievements with Bournemouth, like. Think he was always going to get a chance at a bigger club but he was clearly waiting for the right opportunity

Aye but if he'd failed at Madrid and Spain it would have

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

 

People letting the good be the enemy of the excellent is illogical but will never go away  

 

Is Thomas Tuchel likely to roll up in Stratford then? … would West Ham be mad to appoint Kieran McKenna?… no one gets a fuckin chance do they? We appointed someone who’d never finished above 10th in the premier league… I wasn’t keen (I thought Emery would’ve been great and was disappointed when he turned us down) but it’s not been too shabby has it? 
 

 

 

 

Apples and oranges. Howe got Bournemouth playing their best football in their modern history. Lopetegui got Real Madrid playing their worst. Managed them for 14 games and had a win percentage of 42% before getting binned off at great cost 

 

[PaddockLad 17246]

1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Apples and oranges. Howe got Bournemouth playing their best football in their modern history. Lopetegui got Real Madrid playing their worst. Managed them for 14 games and had a win percentage of 42% before getting binned off at great cost 

 

And you’re comparing his appointment at Real Madrid with his appointment at West Ham  he’s a good appointment… at West Ham…

[Chaser 1207]

Win percentage at wolves was 37%

 

 

Personally think West Ham have done Moyes a disservice. He's brought them stability, top half finishes and a European trophy. They've pretty much always been at a point of wanting him out despite him doing a decent job of it. Hope they struggle next season. 

[Holden McGroin 6582]

24 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Win percentage at wolves was 37%

 

 

Personally think West Ham have done Moyes a disservice. He's brought them stability, top half finishes and a European trophy. They've pretty much always been at a point of wanting him out despite him doing a decent job of it. Hope they struggle next season. 

Aye, on paper he has done well but I think his negativity grates. They had us by the balls and he decided to sit back. It must be frustrating when you have  kudus-Paqueta-Bowen who can kill games off . That’s a top 6 attacking midfield. 

[ewerk 30598]

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

Win percentage at wolves was 37%

Aye, after taking over with them second from bottom and two wins from 14 matches. He performed a miracle there.

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[PaddockLad 17246]

Fuckin ridiculous  

 

 

 

[Gemmill 44851]

He just looked like he was made to play football, Maradona. 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

The GOAT

[Dr Gloom 21915]

i mean, howay. look at what he did - the bloke singlehandedly won a world cup for Argies, and took them close to a second, won Seria A twice for Napoli - all while playing on pudding pitches, with defenders kicking the shit out of him and while charged up off his tits. 

 

could handle himself too 

 

 

[Gemmill 44851]

I mean I don't know how well he handled himself there, he just kept getting completely splattered.

 

He was game though. 

[Alex 35077]

Nobody has ever won a World Cup single-handedly and that includes Maradona in 86. The side were decent and got better with each game. That is not to say he didn’t have a fantastic tournament but he had a quiet final (despite the assist for the winner). I just think it’s a disservice to his teammates to suggest he won it in his own. He was undoubtedly the player of the tournament but no more influential in the win than Rossi four years earlier. Personally I regard him as (comfortably) the second best player of the last century. I don’t even think there should be much debate over Pele being better. 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

10 minutes ago, Alex said:

Nobody has ever won a World Cup single-handedly and that includes Maradona in 86. The side were decent and got better with each game. That is not to say he didn’t have a fantastic tournament but he had a quiet final (despite the assist for the winner). I just think it’s a disservice to his teammates to suggest he won it in his own. He was undoubtedly the player of the tournament but no more influential in the win than Rossi four years earlier. Personally I regard him as (comfortably) the second best player of the last century. I don’t even think there should be much debate over Pele being better. 

 

i never saw pele play live, so i can't really compare them. i vividly remember watching maradona in 86 - even then, as a kid, it seemed like he was playing a different game to everyone else. 

 

would that argie team won it without him in 86? i doubt it. they really weren't that good in italia 90 and somehow he dragged them to the final. i'm convinced england would have won it had they got past ze germans. 

[Alex 35077]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i never saw pele play live, so i can't really compare them. i vividly remember watching maradona in 86 - even then, as a kid, it seemed like he was playing a different game to everyone else. 

 

would that argie team won it without him in 86? i doubt it. they really weren't that good in italia 90 and somehow he dragged them to the final. i'm convinced england would have won it had they got past ze germans. 

Different eras are difficult to compare too. He was undoubtedly the best player on the planet for a good few years in the 80s as well. For me the thing with Pele that sets him apart is he was the complete all round player. Two-footed and could do everything superbly well. I think him and Maradona are on a different plane to the rest so far as the twentieth century goes though 

Edited May 7 by Alex

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