Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Gemmill 49834]

I'm sick of hearing and reading about how Everton's 10 point deduction is harsh (shut your shit Shearer). It's probably not harsh enough when you consider the upside of ignoring FFP.

 

If you make it 5 points (which it may well become on appeal), everyone may as well have a go at it.

 

They would 100% have been relegated even if you just took Richarlison out of their team during that period. With all the risks that come attached to that. Instead they cheated, stayed up, and now they won't shut up about 10 points.

 

Far from being harsh, they've got incredibly lucky to get the 10 points now when the newly promoted teams are about as bad as you get coming up out of the Championship.

[The Fish 11313]

Sorry, I've missed a bit of this conversation. But just to weigh in on the important part. You don't deduct a deduction, as that would be an addition. 

 

10 + -5 = 5

10 - -5 = 15

-5 + 10 = 5

-5 - 10 = -15

 

Are you all thinking that the minus before a negative number is an instruction, rather than a descriptor for a number less than 0?

[Dr Gloom 23598]

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Sorry, I've missed a bit of this conversation. But just to weigh in on the important part. You don't deduct a deduction, as that would be an addition. 

 

10 + -5 = 5

10 - -5 = 15

-5 + 10 = 5

-5 - 10 = -15

 

Are you all thinking that the minus before a negative number is an instruction, rather than a descriptor for a number less than 0?

[The Fish 11313]

[Gemmill 49834]

Thank you Dave. Finally my brother in maths reappears.

 

[Dr Gloom 23598]

7 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

[The Fish 11313]

I know GSCEs were a while ago, but come on!

 

My lad is 4 and I reckon with a little coaching he could get the hang of negative numbers before next week. 

[NJS 4560]

I've forgotten most of the details but you should try to explain imaginary numbers - the square root of - 1 always blew my mind. 

 

[Dr Gloom 23598]

18 minutes ago, The Fish said:

I know GSCEs were a while ago, but come on!

 

My lad is 4 and I reckon with a little coaching he could get the hang of negative numbers before next week. 

 

i'm a wordsmith. i'll leave the data fetish to you and the so-called accountant 

[The Fish 11313]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

i'm a wordsmith. i'll leave the data fetish to you and the so-called accountant 

 

Your smithing needs practise. Lowercase i's? 

[Dr Gloom 23598]

13 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Your smithing needs practise. Lowercase i's? 

 

bitch, please. lowercase prose is my signature style 

[Toonpack 11343]

39 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Thank you Dave. Finally my brother in maths reappears.

 

[PaddockLad 18985]

Because it was for free I did maths key stage 2 at the local tech towards the end of lockdown. So to my bitter regret I must on this occasion concur with both Dave and Gemmil on this one. If you’re adding a negative you go backwards. I know, I know …. I don’t make the rules on this though 🤷🏻‍♂️ 😒

Edited November 21, 2023 by PaddockLad

[Dazzler 11722]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

Sorry, I've missed a bit of this conversation. But just to weigh in on the important part. You don't deduct a deduction, as that would be an addition. 

 

10 + -5 = 5

10 - -5 = 15

-5 + 10 = 5

-5 - 10 = -15

 

Are you all thinking that the minus before a negative number is an instruction, rather than a descriptor for a number less than 0?

 

This seems like a very basic concept and I for one am shocked and/or appalled at how few people seem to be grasping it.

 

It may make it simpler for people if they assume the first part of the sum is 0

 

E.g. 0 -5 + 10 = 5

[Meenzer 16416]

Is there a series of GIFs for people who know perfectly well how negatives work but who enjoy seeing nerds getting their knickers in a twist over it?

 

Asking for a friend

 

 

 

called Meenzer

 

[Dazzler 11722]

1 minute ago, Meenzer said:

Is there a series of GIFs for people who know perfectly well how negatives work but who enjoy seeing nerds getting their knickers in a twist over it?

 

Asking for a friend

 

 

 

called Meenzer

 

Yeah, just go to www.gifsforinnumeratemongstofeelsuperior.com

 

[The Fish 11313]

8 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

Is there a series of GIFs for people who know perfectly well how negatives work but who enjoy seeing nerds getting their knickers in a twist over it?

 

Asking for a friend

 

 

 

called Meenzer

 

I'd agree I'd been wooshed, if Bass hadn't doubled down so very, very, hard

[Monkeys Fist 45119]

 But, the points aren’t a negative number, are they? 
They are 10 positive points (numbers), which are being deducted from their points total , also a positive number. 
 

14-10 = 4. 
 

Lick…

 

Iz. 

[Dazzler 11722]

5 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

 But, the points aren’t a negative number, are they? 
They are 10 positive points (numbers), which are being deducted from their points total , also a positive number. 
 

14-10 = 4. 
 

Lick…

 

Iz. 

Anything with a - in front of it is a negative number so in the above example -10. In the end doesn't really matter, and I don't really care. Everton are losing 10 points, and we should revel in their misery

[The Fish 11313]

29 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

 But, the points aren’t a negative number, are they? 
They are 10 positive points (numbers), which are being deducted from their points total , also a positive number. 
 

14-10 = 4. 
 

Lick…

 

Iz. 

 

That's irrelevant, Gemmil said add those 9 points to the deduction. Mr Bass said that you deduct it. If you deducted 9pts from the deduction you'd be left with a 1 point deduction. 

Original deduction is 10pts, add 9pts to that deduction. Increasing the deduction to a 19 point deduction. 

 

14 + (-10 + -9) = -5

14 + (-10 - -9)  = 13

 

14 - (10 + 9) = -5

14 - (10 - 9)= 13

 

So whichever way you slice it, adding 9 pts to the deduction gives you -5 which is correct. Deducting 9pts from the deduction gives you 13, which is incorrect. 

 

[Monkeys Fist 45119]

[The Fish 11313]

[Monkeys Fist 45119]

[MrBass 3013]

14 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

That's irrelevant, Gemmil said add those 9 points to the deduction. Mr Bass said that you deduct it. If you deducted 9pts from the deduction you'd be left with a 1 point deduction. 

Original deduction is 10pts, add 9pts to that deduction. Increasing the deduction to a 19 point deduction. 

 

14 + (-10 + -9) = -5

14 + (-10 - -9)  = 13

 

14 - (10 + 9) = -5

14 - (10 - 9)= 13

 

So whichever way you slice it, adding 9 pts to the deduction gives you -5 which is correct. Deducting 9pts from the deduction gives you 13, which is incorrect. 

 

 

Err... no he didn't, he actually said,

On 19/11/2023 at 08:54, Gemmill said:

Get that 9 points added now and we'll deal with the legal stuff later.

 

No mentioned of getting them added TO THE DEDUCTION. So, even though I knew full well what he meant, I went all pedantic and followed up with a customary 'FYP', which then escalated and was a fun ride while it lasted. Then Mr Fun Sponge (aka Fish) comes along and takes it all serious. 

 

 

Oh and it's stylised as MrBass, no spaces, fuck face. 

 

Shouldn't be needed but just to be on the safe side, as I know how you math nerds get your tighty-whities in a bunch over the littlest of things, safety wink 

[Monkeys Fist 45119]

2 minutes ago, MrBass said:

 

Err... no he didn't, he actually said,

 

No mentioned of getting them added TO THE DEDUCTION. So, even though I knew full well what he meant, I went all pedantic and followed up with a customary 'FYP', which then escalated and was a fun ride while it lasted. Then Mr Fun Sponge (aka Fish) comes along and takes it all serious. 

 

 

Oh and it's stylised as MrBass, no spaces, fuck face. 

 

Shouldn't be needed but just to be on the safe side, as I know how you math nerds get your tighty-whities in a bunch over the littlest of things, safety wink 

Nice see such a positive attitude