Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Diego21 2155]

Oh man. The timing. 

 

10 minutes ago, Spanish Police said they have arrested 4 people that hold de Vini Doll 8 months ago. 

[Diego21 2155]

And I will only say one more thing on the subject (that I also need to study a little for some exams).

Vinicius is possibly the most unsportsmanlike player I've ever seen in a football stadium. Vinicius is insulted for being provocative, not because of his skin color (I insist again. People who insult him because of his skin color, that he never set foot in a stadium again in his life).

He was when he was 16 playing for Flamengo, he was when he was 18 playing for Real Madrid B and he is now that he is a world star.

The game is spent provoking the rival fans. The game is spent attacking rival players (in actions that are not merely fouls, I mean) or simulating fouls (Maffeo, Reinildo, Foyth, Gabriel Paulista, Gavi, David García, Fali, Aduriz...). He is the only player in the League that I have seen call the referee a 'son of a bitch' or tell him to his face 'you're crazy' and not even get a yellow card.

They kick him a lot. many. But that's within the game, in my opinion.

Why don't other players who are just as good as him, like Rodrygo, have these problems?

 

And it has nothing to do with my love for Atlético or with the color of Vinicius's skin. I love Rodrygo, he is one of my favorite players. I love what Camavinga can do in the future. And one of my favorite players was Gareth Bale (and that he took a Champions League from us and cut our sleeves [a gesture that means to us like the V to you]))

[Sonatine 11919]

https://www.football365.com/news/fuming-liverpool-write-pgmol-two-decisions-aston-villa

 

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Liverpool were left fuming after two controversial decisions left their Champions League charge in tatters and have now written to the PGMOL requesting an explanation, according to reports.

The Reds were unhappy that Cody Gakpo had a goal ruled out for offside on Saturday in a 1-1 draw against Aston Villa, while they thought Tyrone Mings should’ve been sent off for a high challenge on the Dutchman.

Gakpo was left with stud marks on his torso and chest area but Mings was only given a yellow card for the tackle.

And now the Daily Telegraph claim that Liverpool have ‘written to the refereeing governing body to seek an explanation for the contentious decisions’.

The report adds: ‘A formal letter has been dispatched from Anfield to Professional Game Match Officials Limited to ask how and why such conclusions were reached given the video evidence available.

 

 

[Gemmill 49968]

Ah that's even better, that this club that is so fucking blinded by its victimhood that it can't see just how easy a ride it gets from officials.

 

Please spend your summer writing Points of View letters to the authorities while we get on with planning for the Champions League.

[The Fish 11322]

13 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Ah that's even better, that this club that is so fucking blinded by its victimhood that it can't see just how easy a ride it gets from officials.

 

Please spend your summer writing Points of View letters to the authorities while we get on with planning for the Champions League.

 

Dear Mr Klopp, 

 

please find attached those points you asked for. 

 

Kind regards, the PGMOL

 

p.s. we've also given points to the teams who whinged about their decisions too so nowts changed and you're still not in the Champions League, you whiney entitled cunts.

[Alex 36720]

How much time was added on against Villa? 17 minutes or something. Fuck right off, you bitter, hypocritical cunt 

Edited May 23, 2023 by Alex

[Kid Dynamite 7637]

Love that it's directly linked to them being so close to us and potentially missing CL because of dropping 2points somewhere in the season  

 

As you say, completely blind to the fact they've probably got an additional 10 points from dodgy VAR decisions 

[Alex 36720]

Credit where it’s due - they’ve gone on an amazing run at the end of the season to get close. But the league is about consistency (an obvious thing to point out, I know) and the teams above them have been more consistent. They don’t deserve it, we do. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

 

 

Liverpool and Man U  

[The Fish 11322]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

 

Liverpool and Man U  

Man Utd is a possibility, but Liverpool seem miles off sustaining a title challenge. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

Just now, The Fish said:

Man Utd is a possibility, but Liverpool seem miles off sustaining a title challenge. 

 

man u have been unimpressive this season. so many of their wins have been ground out by a single goal. i'll be disappointed if we finish below them

[Gemmill 49968]

It's difficult to say Man United have been shit when they'll probably finish above us, but I'm fucking sick of hearing Ten Hag talked about in manager of the season conversations.

 

Simple logic dictates that if you think Ten Hag has had an outstanding season, then you have to think that Eddie Howe has fucking pissed all over what that bald cunt has managed.

[The Fish 11322]

7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

man u have been unimpressive this season. so many of their wins have been ground out by a single goal. i'll be disappointed if we finish below them

Ten Haag has improved them and after they strengthen in the window I think they'll be a different prospect. Also, we'll have a European competition to contend with. I dunno. I wouldn't be shocked to finish below them. 

 

[Gemmill 49968]

We're behind Chelsea in the "to win the PL" odds for next season. New manager and no Europe to contend with, it probably makes sense.

 

They're 12s and we're 14s BTW.

[Monkeys Fist 45149]

A lot of people saying next season could be tricky for us, which is fair enough… management and team untested in Europe, “weak” squad, but…

 

… I have absolutely no doubt the owners are already fully aware, with plans in place, to address the accelerated squad expansion we need. 
Eddie has already pulled off two seemingly impossible jobs- first, not only avoiding relegation, but finishing 11th. 
This season, start to finish, has been incredible, and to secure Champions League football with a game spare is ridiculous. 
Let’s also not forget that Eddie spent his year and a half whilst out of work training with and observing sides across Europe. 
 

I’m by no means complacent, but I can’t think of anyone I’d rather have steering us through whatever challenges are coming. 

[Howmanheyman 36598]

54 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

 

Liverpool and Man U  

 

"So who do we think is going to challenge Manchester City next year?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ewerk 33223]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

 

Liverpool and Man U  

Not a single mention for the teams currently sitting in second and third?  

 

I don’t know where this idea that Liverpool are going to make a great resurgence next season comes from. Their squad needs an overhaul and with no CL money or indication that their owners are going to invest I can’t see how they’re going to get the signings required.

[Gemmill 49968]

As funny as it would be for Liverpool to still pip Man United to CL, the fact is Man United are a club that will always have money to spend cos they're such a massive global brand.

 

If you can keep Liverpool out of the CL for a couple of seasons though, they'll start to go backwards. Even the one season will hurt them a bit.

[strawb 4639]

I’m hate them both equally would prefer Liverpool to miss out from now until eternity.

 

From littlewoods pools, to stopping other teams getting the chance to play in europe to their current whiny entitled state nobody deserves a humbling like those cunts

[The Fish 11322]

1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said:

A lot of people saying next season could be tricky for us, which is fair enough… management and team untested in Europe, “weak” squad, but…

 

… I have absolutely no doubt the owners are already fully aware, with plans in place, to address the accelerated squad expansion we need. 
Eddie has already pulled off two seemingly impossible jobs- first, not only avoiding relegation, but finishing 11th. 
This season, start to finish, has been incredible, and to secure Champions League football with a game spare is ridiculous. 
Let’s also not forget that Eddie spent his year and a half whilst out of work training with and observing sides across Europe. 
 

I’m by no means complacent, but I can’t think of anyone I’d rather have steering us through whatever challenges are coming. 

Eddie has been a huge reason for the owners finding themselves 3-5 years ahead of schedule. Steering us from 19th, to 3rd in less than 2 seasons is unbelievable. Key to that has been the owners letting Howe (and Ashworth) to build the team they want. When January window rolled by we were 3rd and rather than dumping a few hundred million on big names and star power, we signed 3 kids with potential. One was £40m, sure, but we weren't influenced by our league position to go absolutely crazy. I'd imagine that Howe would have been central to those discussions. 

 

He's recently said we need 2 teams to compete on all fronts. Now, this could mean we keep some players like Murphy around for cup games, dead rubbers or whatever, or it could mean we go off and sign a fucking stack of new faces. Whatever happens, I trust this management group to get the big calls right. 

 

 

[The Fish 11322]

38 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

As funny as it would be for Liverpool to still pip Man United to CL, the fact is Man United are a club that will always have money to spend cos they're such a massive global brand.

 

If you can keep Liverpool out of the CL for a couple of seasons though, they'll start to go backwards. Even the one season will hurt them a bit.

2 seasons away from the Champions League trough will have their owners twitchy as fuck. Klopp might also fancy a new challenge. I don't think enough has been made of their transfer business, for what it's worth. They've spent a ton of money on players and a lot have not come good. Keita e.g.

[aimaad22 4690]

City, Arsenal, Chelsea and us for CL spots next season, that would do me. Anyone over Liverpool and ManU really. The media bias is sickening but you could live with it if they didn't have hypocritical managers with heads up their own arses. 

 

I expect ManU to compete and likely finish 3/4th again next season. Chelsea might need more time to get their act together if they don't completely implode under Boehly that is. Liverpool have a much trickier job than ManUtd. As has been said they need an overhaul.

 

If you see the top 4 over the last few season hardly anyone other than City has held down a regular spot. Tell you how tough the league is at the top now. Howe is going to have to pull off another masterclass to keep us in it next year. But considering the improved spending power and way in which the club has been managed in the last 18 months, we have as much a chance as anybody to make CL places again next season.

[Holden McGroin 7624]

I quite like Pep and Poch so I might not mind Chelsea being good that much.

 

Klopp, Arteta and Ten Nonce are world class bell ends so I hope they all fail miserably.

[Isegrim 10350]

You have to read them all!

[OTF 8418]

18 hours ago, Diego21 said:

The first thing I have to say is that racism is not justifiable at any time.

I myself remember how, when I was very little, the Cameroonian goalkeeper Kameni was insulted at the Atleti stadium (I even remember that bananas were thrown at him).

Beyond minority groups or ultras in soccer in some teams, I can assure you that Spain is not a racist country.

 

@Diego21 Firstly, yes we can both agree that racism is not justifiable at any time, however I would extend beyond this and say that true racism is deplorable and should bring with it punishment. 

 

The way I've read it, you're effectively reducing racism down by excusing it to minority groups and ultras. There's a point where reduction of it, or allowance and tolerance of it in any way shape or form allows those who are the victims of it to continue to suffer without protection or the feeling of support.

 

18 hours ago, Diego21 said:

But I think a serious mistake is being made because Vinicius and Real Madrid are fueling a controversy based on lies and modified videos. The videos that are being published are not relays (and Vinicius is not considering leaving the League).

And beware, yes, there will be 3-4 or 5 or I don't know, maybe 40 spectators who said racist things to him, but it's not a whole stadium of 45,000 people. Inside the stadium, the Valencia fans yelled at him "Silly" and not "Mono". I mean, they called him an idiot, not a monkey. But they have subtitled as if it were Mono. Ancelotti was told at a press conference, and Ancelotti did not want to see it. Now Vinicius and the whole world are posting a video that isn't real and that, if you don't speak Spanish, can confuse you because they are two words that can sound similar.

 

And then next thing you're blaming Vinicius and Real Madrid, suggesting that they're supporting a false narrative about Vinicius' racial vilification. Yet in your next sentence you're confirming that yes 3-40 (weird numbers) supporters did say racist things to him. Of course it's not the whole stadium of 45,000 people, that's such a pointless thing to say in defence of racist abuse being levelled against a player. What are you suggesting the motive of Vinicius is when you say that he is 'fueling a controversy based on lies' - what is the lie? That 45,000 people and not 40 were racially abusing him?

 

18 hours ago, Diego21 said:

Regarding the Vinicius doll... Well, I hate the act. But (what I am going to say is very serious, because I have no proof) I think it was not the Atlético fans. And when it happened, it made me very angry, because I did believe that it was them, obviously. But a person who is usually involved in the ultra movement told me that they were very calm because they had not been and that we would see how in a while nothing of that would be heard again. And so it has been. The police said, a week after it happened, that they had biological remains of the perpetrators and that they were going to arrest them soon... Many months have passed and we don't know anything. Why?. 

 

You have answered your own question here, because as you saw they have now changed the perpetrators of this hate crime. Is this also a false narrative?

 

19 hours ago, Diego21 said:

And just yesterday, the Spanish League has expelled for life the referee who decided to expel Vinicius for his aggression against the Valencia player.

 

His aggression (an open handed arm hand swipe to the side of the face) was reciprocated against a player who held him in a headlock with his arm against his neck immediately prior. The red card of Vinicius has been overturned. Valencia have confirmed that racist chants were levied against Vinicius. Valencia's sponsors have spoken out against it. I suppose this is just more false narrative? The referee was not expelled for life to my understanding - in fact the referee who decided to expel Vinicius was not punished at all. It was the VAR who has been stood down (likely permanently), as it was the VAR who determined what footage to show the referee. The referee did not see what had happened prior to the swipe from Vinicius, which is why he reached the wrong decision.

 

19 hours ago, Diego21 said:

When the campaign against racism began, in the match against Atleti, it was because they asked Koke if he would see it as okay for Vinicius to dance if he scored a goal. And Koke said: "If he scores a goal and celebrates it by dancing in front of our fans, surely it can get messy because the fans will feel bad about it." This is racism? Because they said yes. They said that Koke was racist and he started it all. Later we learned that what was happening was that Vinicius wanted to patent his dance as a brand and needed to create a ball out of all this.

 

Koke warned that Vini should expect trouble if he celebrated a goal by dancing against Atletico. Sure, there may be nothing racist in what Koke said, but the chants that occurred at the game were racist and won't have been helped by the comments from him. The racist fans would have seen this as the trouble that Koke referred to. So, hang on a moment, the false narrative is all to promote Vinicius' dance (this is the first I have heard of him having a special dance BTW) and now not just Vini and Real Madrid are in on it, but also Valencia, he three fans from Valancia who have been arrested, their sponsors, the Spanish Football Federation and the referees committee? Plus presumably the 4 charged with hanging the Vinicius effigy? How deep does this conspiracy run? It's obviously not just racism because Spain is not a racist country. I'm sure they share that sentiment in Brazil. 

 

Finally, I'm not accusing you of being racist, definitely not, but it seems to me you have lost sight of the forest for all the trees; your hatred for Real Madrid and the sportsmanship of their players is blinding you from a problem that quite clearly exists and needs to be handled in a clear and direct way, not through reducing countless incidents down to the acts of a few.