Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Alex 36722]

2 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

I hate these cunts with a passion.

aye, do everybody a favour and fuck off, you pathetic, self entitled thundercunts 

 

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=354280.0

Funny how the ESL looks more attractive at exactly the same time as it becomes clear they probably won’t qualify for the CL. 

[thebrokendoll 10280]

22 minutes ago, Alex said:

Funny how the ESL looks more attractive at exactly the same time as it becomes clear they probably won’t qualify for the CL. 

 

the empathy I had for scousers during the thatcher years has long since disappeared.

the blue side, who at one point I had some sympathy for after they lost the opportunity to play in europe after their mates antics in belgium evaporated when they seemed to take great exception to our nearly years under keegan and robson. I can understand their bitterness to lfc, but fucking hell, the venom towards newcastle seemed to consume them, weird cunts.

meanwhile, liverpool could fuck off and form a merseyside league, you just know though that the first time tranmere pipped them to the title they'd find some reason to claim victim status.  

[Monkeys Fist 45149]

9 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

the empathy I had for scousers during the thatcher years has long since disappeared.

the blue side, who at one point I had some sympathy for after they lost the opportunity to play in europe after their mates antics in belgium evaporated when they seemed to take great exception to our nearly years under keegan and robson. I can understand their bitterness to lfc, but fucking hell, the venom towards newcastle seemed to consume them, weird cunts.

meanwhile, liverpool could fuck off and form a merseyside league, you just know though that the first time tranmere pipped them to the title they'd find some reason to claim victim status.  

I’ve never liked Everton- I’ve always thought they were the antithesis of why I love Newcastle. 
They’re not exciting to watch, they’ve never had a distinct style ( not one that you’d want to shout about), and they’ve always struck me as fucking whingers , in a city fucking full of them. 
 

But the moment “not like” went to “fucking despise” was that game under Robson, when that cunt Graveson nearly snapped Bernard’s leg, then they carried on playing and got a Pelanty that blew our hopes of the title. 

Absolute cunt behaviour. 
 

I fucking hate them. 
 

When Big Dunc signed for us I was lukewarm tbh ( although that sharp changed  ), because I thought anyone who those cunts idolise must be a cunt himself. 
 

So, aye, fuck them, I hope they go in to a fucking spiral and do a sunderland. 
 

 

[LondonBlue 1021]

23 hours ago, Rayvin said:

Anyone else notice City won the league tonight?

 

Apparently thats 5 of the past 6 seasons they've won it, 3 in a row.

 

At this point the rest of the league should be willing us on for everyone's sake tbh cos the other teams clearly aren't going to manage.

 

Congrats @LondonBlue - it is deserved and i think this is probably the best PL side ive seen.

 

been away overnight but thanks @Rayvin met Ricky Hatton Saturday night who was pretty happy too (Nice guy btw)

 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

10 hours ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

In a shock outcome, Klopp, speaking on MotD complained that time wasting was out of hand and they should have had an extra five minutes.

[Monkeys Fist 45149]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

Fyp 

[RobinRobin 12486]

3 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Fyp 

FYFYP

[Gemmill 49970]

 

I had no idea about any of this. Pretty fucked.

 

[Rayvin 5923]

That video is now private, what have we missed?

[Alex 36722]

11 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

That video is now private, what have we missed?

About Hakan Suker and how he’s now persona non grata in Turkey due to falling out with Erdogan. Starts off by saying a commentator was taken off air at half time during the Qatar World Cup (on Turkish state tv) just for mentioning his name. He brought up Suker scoring the fastest ever World Cup goal (in the third place playoff in 2002) 

[Alex 36722]

22 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

the empathy I had for scousers during the thatcher years has long since disappeared.

the blue side, who at one point I had some sympathy for after they lost the opportunity to play in europe after their mates antics in belgium evaporated when they seemed to take great exception to our nearly years under keegan and robson. I can understand their bitterness to lfc, but fucking hell, the venom towards newcastle seemed to consume them, weird cunts.

meanwhile, liverpool could fuck off and form a merseyside league, you just know though that the first time tranmere pipped them to the title they'd find some reason to claim victim status.  

Aye, Everton fans in general have a massive chip on their collective shoulders about us. 
The other thing about Liverpool (and the same applies to Arsenal) is this odd belief they play the game in a pure way and anyone who doesn’t conform to that ideal is ruining football. Like teams are meant to be open as fuck and be happy to lose 6-3 or whatever. Apart from it being nonsense it’s not that long ago Liverpool fans were happy with Houllier’s ‘pragmatism’ in Europe against Barcelona with Michael Owen playing as a lone striker in a boring draw at Camp Nou. Same with the success under Rafa. It was ok when George Graham was successful too. Even Wenger was happy trying to cancel out Guardiola’s Barcelona because he knew his team was just a shit version of theirs and would get destroyed if they were open. Not to mention most of Wenger’s real success coming when he had a team stacked with dirty cunts and having a terrible disciplinary record. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Alex

[The Fish 11323]

And it's the responsibility of the better team to break through the pragmatism of the weaker side. If your side is so one-dimensional that you can't change things up when teams don't afford you the time and space to play your pretty passing patterns, then that's on you. 

 

Sure we can complain when a team is kicking lumps out of Bruno and/or time wasting, but it's up to Howe and the team to find a solution. If they can't, then that's a weakness other teams will exploit. Barcelona were praised for their incredible passing play, but they could sure as shit mix it up if they needed. Instead of Liverpool moaning about our time-wasting at Anfield, they should be praising their own team for digging out a win against a difficult opponent. 

[Rayvin 5923]

I reckon they should enjoy moments like that while they can tbh - we timewasted against them because they were on paper the better side. That's not going to be the case much longer.

[OTF 8418]

12 minutes ago, The Fish said:

And it's the responsibility of the better team to break through the pragmatism of the weaker side. If your side is so one-dimensional that you can't change things up when teams don't afford you the time and space to play your pretty passing patterns, then that's on you. 

 

And how fucking boring would it be if every team just tried to play the most fluent attacking football they could without consideration for who they were playing. Sure, we'd probably see more goals at first but we'd also see more predicatble results, and most critically a lack of innovation.

[Renton 23680]

This is no way to talk about a team that has won the PL 4 times in the last 10 years.

 

 

 

[RobinRobin 12486]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

About Hakan Suker and how he’s now persona non grata in Turkey due to falling out with Erdogan. Starts off by saying a commentator was taken off air at half time during the Qatar World Cup (on Turkish state tv) just for mentioning his name. He brought up Suker scoring the fastest ever World Cup goal (in the third place playoff in 2002) 

Erdogan can be put in the same thin skinned basket as Putin, Ping and Trump

[The Fish 11323]

 

Looks like Everton might be changing ownership.

[Dougle 3677]

 

Like something from a 70s episode of Doctor Who

[Howay 12496]

8 hours ago, The Fish said:

 

Looks like Everton might be changing ownership.

More American owners are a bad thing for Football imo. They’re the one group of owners that seem to be pretty vocal about changing things, mostly due to their background of high level sports being a closed shop. 

[Monkeys Fist 45149]

5 minutes ago, Howay said:

More American owners are a bad thing for Football imo. They’re the one group of owners that seem to be pretty vocal about changing things, mostly due to their background of high level sports being a closed shop. 

“ Following an in-depth analysis from our Soccer Optimisation Team, we have made the decision to move the club to remove the need for market-share with our city neighbours. 
We know you’ll join us in wishing the New Gloucester Toffees well on the exciting times ahead at our new home.” 

[OTF 8418]

@Diego21 I have to ask what you think about the Ateltico fans treatment of Vinicius Jr? The chanting, the doll from the bridge, and what happened in the courts afterwards.

 

And what about the weekend game RM against Valencia and the racial abuse outside and inside the stadium. Easy to see why Vini is looking at leaving La Liga. The ref and VAR from that game were all stood down and then the La Liga chief attacks Vini, saying he's to blame and that there's no racism.... Not a good look for the La Liga.

 

And finally what say you to allegations that Atletico basically own the Madrid press?

Edited May 23, 2023 by OTF

[wykikitoon 22893]

7 hours ago, Howay said:

More American owners are a bad thing for Football imo. They’re the one group of owners that seem to be pretty vocal about changing things, mostly due to their background of high level sports being a closed shop. 

They're the ones that will push for Super League too.

[Alex 36722]

7 hours ago, Howay said:

More American owners are a bad thing for Football imo. They’re the one group of owners that seem to be pretty vocal about changing things, mostly due to their background of high level sports being a closed shop. 

Don’t they realise that Everton never get relegated? 

Edited May 23, 2023 by Alex

[Diego21 2155]

6 hours ago, OTF said:

@Diego21 I have to ask what you think about the Ateltico fans treatment of Vinicius Jr? The chanting, the doll from the bridge, and what happened in the courts afterwards.

 

And what about the weekend game RM against Valencia and the racial abuse outside and inside the stadium. Easy to see why Vini is looking at leaving La Liga. The ref and VAR from that game were all stood down and then the La Liga chief attacks Vini, saying he's to blame and that there's no racism.... Not a good look for the La Liga.

 

And finally what say you to allegations that Atletico basically own the Madrid press?

The first thing I have to say is that racism is not justifiable at any time.

I myself remember how, when I was very little, the Cameroonian goalkeeper Kameni was insulted at the Atleti stadium (I even remember that bananas were thrown at him).

Beyond minority groups or ultras in soccer in some teams, I can assure you that Spain is not a racist country.

But I think a serious mistake is being made because Vinicius and Real Madrid are fueling a controversy based on lies and modified videos. The videos that are being published are not relays (and Vinicius is not considering leaving the League).

And beware, yes, there will be 3-4 or 5 or I don't know, maybe 40 spectators who said racist things to him, but it's not a whole stadium of 45,000 people. Inside the stadium, the Valencia fans yelled at him "Silly" and not "Mono". I mean, they called him an idiot, not a monkey. But they have subtitled as if it were Mono. Ancelotti was told at a press conference, and Ancelotti did not want to see it. Now Vinicius and the whole world are posting a video that isn't real and that, if you don't speak Spanish, can confuse you because they are two words that can sound similar.

There is another important video and it is the video of the arrival of the Real Madrid bus at the stadium. I can pass you the original video, posted by a Twitter account at 16PM. And you will hear how there are no racist chants. But, mysteriously, as soon as the game is over, you see the same video with different audio, clearly modified with audio that, also mysteriously, is the same one that was used to modify another video outside the Atleti stadium this year. (I was there, and I can confirm that no one sang anything against Vinicius. The only thing there was was a fairly well-known boy in the Atleti stands who has mental problems and wore a doll of a conguito and who, by the way, a few years ago Real Madrid fans beat him up). And be careful, I am not saying that Real Madrid modifies the videos, but I am saying that someone on the networks has done so and that a lie is spreading.

I think that the press does a lot, a lot, a lot of damage on this issue because it spreads things without contrasting. Just yesterday two Valencia fans were pointed out as if they had been guilty without evidence and they themselves admit that the police separated them from the rest because all they were doing was calming down what happened.

Regarding the Vinicius doll... Well, I hate the act. But (what I am going to say is very serious, because I have no proof) I think it was not the Atlético fans. And when it happened, it made me very angry, because I did believe that it was them, obviously. But a person who is usually involved in the ultra movement told me that they were very calm because they had not been and that we would see how in a while nothing of that would be heard again. And so it has been. The police said, a week after it happened, that they had biological remains of the perpetrators and that they were going to arrest them soon... Many months have passed and we don't know anything. Why?. 

Regarding the press and Atlético... I'm sorry, but it's ridiculous. Florentino Pérez controls everything. He himself has said it. As I told you yesterday, about a year ago his audios were leaked confirming that he was the one in charge of the press, that he was the one who put journalists on and off. And it happened. In fact, it gave names and dates, and history has shown that it is real. And not just journalists. The President of the Spanish League confirmed that the operation of the VAR changed after a call from Florentino Pérez complaining. And just yesterday, the Spanish League has expelled for life the referee who decided to expel Vinicius for his aggression against the Valencia player.

I myself have worked in the number 2 most read newspaper in Spain. And calls have come from the Real Madrid office saying how we had to do things. I remember in the 2014 pre-season, when Madrid went to play a friendly against Man United in the US, there were 100,000 people and the ENTIRE stadium wore United shirts. They forced us to change the color of the photograph of the stadium stands and tint it white because it had to look like they were Real Madrid fans.

Another thing that happened a lot is that they forced the number of fans to double in the celebrations in the streets, because there were very few and they had to fill in to make it seem like there were more.

If until years ago in a photo they eliminated a central defender so that people would believe that there was a goal offside. They are absolutely incredible things.

 

When the campaign against racism began, in the match against Atleti, it was because they asked Koke if he would see it as okay for Vinicius to dance if he scored a goal. And Koke said: "If he scores a goal and celebrates it by dancing in front of our fans, surely it can get messy because the fans will feel bad about it." This is racism? Because they said yes. They said that Koke was racist and he started it all. Later we learned that what was happening was that Vinicius wanted to patent his dance as a brand and needed to create a ball out of all this.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Diego21

[Diego21 2155]

I no longer extend myself. I want to make it clear. I wish the game had really stopped and they would have taken the 2 or 3 that Vini points out, they made monkey gestures at him.

I hate racism in stadiums. But it is not only racism. I hate being insulted, just like that.

I don't think Spain is racist, but I do believe that in all stadiums there are 1% of fans who use football and use racist insults because they don't know how serious a problem racism is. And since I consider it such a serious problem, I don't like to be frivolous about it either.

I remember players who have been seriously insulted in racist terms: Eto'o, Kameni, Dani Alves, Wilfred Agbonavbare, Diego Costa, Freddy Rincon are the players who I think have been most affected by it. And the whole stadium did it to these.

Fortunately, for the last 5-6 years, there have been almost no racist insults inside Spanish stadiums because there is a new regulation that prevents it and severely fines the clubs. For this reason, in addition, you can know that justice works with videos and real evidence and not with montages that circulate on the internet and that nothing will happen to the Valencia fans, because the songs are not real (but hopefully they will be able to identify the that they did make racist gestures).