Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[PaddockLad 19326]

22 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Saying Howe hadn’t finished above 10th slightly diminishes his insane achievements with Bournemouth, like. Think he was always going to get a chance at a bigger club but he was clearly waiting for the right opportunity

And after he’s left Newcastle he’ll continue to get chances at big clubs . So has Lopetegui after his achievements at Seville. That’s how it works. I think he’s a decent appointment for West Ham. 

[Kid Dynamite 7818]

54 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Saying Howe hadn’t finished above 10th slightly diminishes his insane achievements with Bournemouth, like. Think he was always going to get a chance at a bigger club but he was clearly waiting for the right opportunity

Aye but if he'd failed at Madrid and Spain it would have

[Kid Dynamite 7818]

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

 

People letting the good be the enemy of the excellent is illogical but will never go away  

 

Is Thomas Tuchel likely to roll up in Stratford then? … would West Ham be mad to appoint Kieran McKenna?… no one gets a fuckin chance do they? We appointed someone who’d never finished above 10th in the premier league… I wasn’t keen (I thought Emery would’ve been great and was disappointed when he turned us down) but it’s not been too shabby has it? 
 

 

 

 

Apples and oranges. Howe got Bournemouth playing their best football in their modern history. Lopetegui got Real Madrid playing their worst. Managed them for 14 games and had a win percentage of 42% before getting binned off at great cost 

 

[PaddockLad 19326]

1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Apples and oranges. Howe got Bournemouth playing their best football in their modern history. Lopetegui got Real Madrid playing their worst. Managed them for 14 games and had a win percentage of 42% before getting binned off at great cost 

 

And you’re comparing his appointment at Real Madrid with his appointment at West Ham  he’s a good appointment… at West Ham…

[Chaser 1393]

Win percentage at wolves was 37%

 

 

Personally think West Ham have done Moyes a disservice. He's brought them stability, top half finishes and a European trophy. They've pretty much always been at a point of wanting him out despite him doing a decent job of it. Hope they struggle next season. 

[Holden McGroin 7760]

24 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Win percentage at wolves was 37%

 

 

Personally think West Ham have done Moyes a disservice. He's brought them stability, top half finishes and a European trophy. They've pretty much always been at a point of wanting him out despite him doing a decent job of it. Hope they struggle next season. 

Aye, on paper he has done well but I think his negativity grates. They had us by the balls and he decided to sit back. It must be frustrating when you have  kudus-Paqueta-Bowen who can kill games off . That’s a top 6 attacking midfield. 

[ewerk 33648]

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

Win percentage at wolves was 37%

Aye, after taking over with them second from bottom and two wins from 14 matches. He performed a miracle there.

[Guest MrRaspberryJam]

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[PaddockLad 19326]

Fuckin ridiculous  

 

 

 

[Gemmill 51204]

He just looked like he was made to play football, Maradona. 

[Dr Gloom 23962]

The GOAT

[Dr Gloom 23962]

i mean, howay. look at what he did - the bloke singlehandedly won a world cup for Argies, and took them close to a second, won Seria A twice for Napoli - all while playing on pudding pitches, with defenders kicking the shit out of him and while charged up off his tits. 

 

could handle himself too 

 

 

[Gemmill 51204]

I mean I don't know how well he handled himself there, he just kept getting completely splattered.

 

He was game though. 

[Alex 37286]

Nobody has ever won a World Cup single-handedly and that includes Maradona in 86. The side were decent and got better with each game. That is not to say he didn’t have a fantastic tournament but he had a quiet final (despite the assist for the winner). I just think it’s a disservice to his teammates to suggest he won it in his own. He was undoubtedly the player of the tournament but no more influential in the win than Rossi four years earlier. Personally I regard him as (comfortably) the second best player of the last century. I don’t even think there should be much debate over Pele being better. 

[Dr Gloom 23962]

10 minutes ago, Alex said:

Nobody has ever won a World Cup single-handedly and that includes Maradona in 86. The side were decent and got better with each game. That is not to say he didn’t have a fantastic tournament but he had a quiet final (despite the assist for the winner). I just think it’s a disservice to his teammates to suggest he won it in his own. He was undoubtedly the player of the tournament but no more influential in the win than Rossi four years earlier. Personally I regard him as (comfortably) the second best player of the last century. I don’t even think there should be much debate over Pele being better. 

 

i never saw pele play live, so i can't really compare them. i vividly remember watching maradona in 86 - even then, as a kid, it seemed like he was playing a different game to everyone else. 

 

would that argie team won it without him in 86? i doubt it. they really weren't that good in italia 90 and somehow he dragged them to the final. i'm convinced england would have won it had they got past ze germans. 

[Alex 37286]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i never saw pele play live, so i can't really compare them. i vividly remember watching maradona in 86 - even then, as a kid, it seemed like he was playing a different game to everyone else. 

 

would that argie team won it without him in 86? i doubt it. they really weren't that good in italia 90 and somehow he dragged them to the final. i'm convinced england would have won it had they got past ze germans. 

Different eras are difficult to compare too. He was undoubtedly the best player on the planet for a good few years in the 80s as well. For me the thing with Pele that sets him apart is he was the complete all round player. Two-footed and could do everything superbly well. I think him and Maradona are on a different plane to the rest so far as the twentieth century goes though 

Edited May 7, 2024 by Alex

[wykikitoon 23308]

Forest have their appeal rejected  

[Dazzler 12176]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Different eras are difficult to compare too. He was undoubtedly the best player on the planet for a good few years in the 80s as well. For me the thing with Pele that sets him apart is he was the complete all round player. Two-footed and could do everything superbly well. I think him and Maradona are on a different plane to the rest so far as the twentieth century goes though 

For their countries they are probably neck and neck - with Pele coming out on top, but overall Maradona has to go down as the better player for me.

 

Pele never tested himself at club level, and stayed where his record could get some padding/massaging - and even counted friendlies in his overall stats (which if you counted friendlies for Messi and the Portuguese rapist he'd probably be some distance behind them). Maradona at the very least tested himself (and the local marching powders) in different countries, and excelled. Pele stayed in Brazil and went to the states which sets him back for me as he never put his ability to the test at an actually good standard at club level.

 

Plus Maradona would have jawed him, all day, every day.

[Dazzler 12176]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

Forest have their appeal rejected  

The twitter response from them should be exceptional.

[Craig 6995]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

Forest have their appeal rejected  

 

And yet Man City continue without any sanction whatsoever. The arbitrary nature in which they've issued points deductions, partially rescinded them in the case of Everton and then added more is utterly ridiculous. Irrespective of who you support, no-one should be comfortable with this shit-show. 

Everton have been handed a total of 12 deducted points this season. Luton are currently 11 points behind them and in the relegation places, if it finishes like that you can see Luton taking them to court. Utterly ridiculous.

[Alex 37286]

1 minute ago, Dazzler said:

For their countries they are probably neck and neck - with Pele coming out on top, but overall Maradona has to go down as the better player for me.

 

Pele never tested himself at club level, and stayed where his record could get some padding/massaging - and even counted friendlies in his overall stats (which if you counted friendlies for Messi and the Portuguese rapist he'd probably be some distance behind them). Maradona at the very least tested himself (and the local marching powders) in different countries, and excelled. Pele stayed in Brazil and went to the states which sets him back for me as he never put his ability to the test at an actually good standard at club level.

 

Plus Maradona would have jawed him, all day, every day.

That’s a complete myth tbh. The Brazilian league was arguably the best in the world at that time. Santos won back to back Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cups to help prove that. So he didn’t just excel in Brazil in he won four international trophies at club level. For context, Santos have won 8 in their history. He was the best player in the world when he was 17, scored fucking outrageous goals winning the World Cup at that age. 12 years later, he was past his best, after nearly a decade and a half of playing year round football and a ridiculous amount of games. But he was still the best player in the best international side ever. The NASL era was just a bit of retirement money tbh. Same for the likes of Cruyff and Beckenbauer. He could handle himself as well as Maradona could too. 

[Dr Gloom 23962]

16 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

For their countries they are probably neck and neck - with Pele coming out on top, but overall Maradona has to go down as the better player for me.

 

Pele never tested himself at club level, and stayed where his record could get some padding/massaging - and even counted friendlies in his overall stats (which if you counted friendlies for Messi and the Portuguese rapist he'd probably be some distance behind them). Maradona at the very least tested himself (and the local marching powders) in different countries, and excelled. Pele stayed in Brazil and went to the states which sets him back for me as he never put his ability to the test at an actually good standard at club level.

 

Plus Maradona would have jawed him, all day, every day.

 

let's see how pele would get on if he was up all night sniffing coke and shagging prossies

 

[Alex 37286]

He was bang into that too tbh. Wtf do you think he was doing in Studio 54? 

[Dazzler 12176]

It doesn't matter anyway, because both are second and third to Messi. Only people wearing the rose tinted spectacles that went out of fashion in the 70s and 80s would think otherwise

[Alex 37286]

Never tested himself outside of Spain tbh