Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Kid Dynamite 7911]

Hopefully Greenwood gets sex offender/lassie basher chants at every ground he plays at til the day he retires 

[ewerk 34028]

  On 16/08/2023 at 17:37, Chaser said:

Unbelievable to think Man Utd are paving the way for a Greenwood return. I know many have escaped conviction be it not enough evidence, false evidence, victim declining to prosecute etc but from what was put out in the public domain, it would appear that what was alleged was true. 

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Their investigation should have ended when they heard this below. How they can possibly think of playing him again is beyond me.

 

[Kitman 2471]

I know this it's inappropriate to focus on a turn of phrase here, given just how evil that transcript is, but did he really say "Damn me"?  It made him sound like a Victorian era gammon. Maybe he was role playing Stephen Fry as the Duke of Wellington as a rapist...

[Kitman 2471]

  On 16/08/2023 at 20:35, ewerk said:

Their investigation should have ended when they heard this below. How they can possibly think of playing him again is beyond me.

 

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Their angle seems to be how do we justify bringing him back in, rather than weighing up the right thing to do. Basically they dont want to lose their asset.

[ewerk 34028]

Given that he hasn’t been convicted of anything or banned from football I’m wondering can they sack him? My hunch is that their lawyers have told them that they owe him  back pay from his suspension and will have to pay up his contract to get him to leave.

 

Isn't Mendy looking all his wages from his suspension at Man City? @LondonBlue

[Holden McGroin 7886]

Yeah, tricky one. Legally he hasn’t done anything wrong. 
 

if I was Man United or his agent  I’d loan him abroad. As a player, I’d be uncomfortable if he was coming back into the dressing room.

[Kitman 2471]

  On 17/08/2023 at 05:33, ewerk said:

Given that he hasn’t been convicted of anything or banned from football I’m wondering can they sack him? My hunch is that their lawyers have told them that they owe him  back pay from his suspension and will have to pay up his contract to get him to leave.

 

Isn't Mendy looking all his wages from his suspension at Man City? @LondonBlue

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Youre probably right that they cant sack him,  but they dont have to restore him to the first team squad.  Unless they believe hes innocent ofc

[MMXXVIII 1296]

They could bring him on for half an hour away to Spurs and see if he still fancies sticking around.

[wykikitoon 23680]

Send the cunt to Turkey

[Kid Dynamite 7911]

  On 17/08/2023 at 05:56, Holden McGroin said:

Yeah, tricky one. Legally he hasn’t done anything wrong. 
 

if I was Man United or his agent  I’d loan him abroad. As a player, I’d be uncomfortable if he was coming back into the dressing room.

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It will be linked to employment law. He's not been found guilty of anything. But if Man Utd can prove he is guilty of gross misconduct with the audio recording then they could still have a case to sack him. I'd imagine he's been on full pay whilst suspended 

[Holden McGroin 7886]

  On 17/08/2023 at 06:30, Kid Dynamite said:

It will be linked to employment law. He's not been found guilty of anything. But if Man Utd can prove he is guilty of gross misconduct with the audio recording then they could still have a case to sack him. I'd imagine he's been on full pay whilst suspended 

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I would have thought so. But then I thought Mendy was as well.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Holden McGroin

[wykikitoon 23680]

I think with Mendy, he was on remand at one point wasn't he?

[LondonBlue 1054]

  On 17/08/2023 at 05:33, ewerk said:

Given that he hasn’t been convicted of anything or banned from football I’m wondering can they sack him? My hunch is that their lawyers have told them that they owe him  back pay from his suspension and will have to pay up his contract to get him to leave.

 

Isn't Mendy looking all his wages from his suspension at Man City? @LondonBlue

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If it was easy i'd give you a straight forward answer.

 

Pretty sure he left our employ some time ago but now that his case is done, there's a rumour that he's after about 10m from us.

 

There's the violation of bail terms and gross misconduct that work in our favour though.

 

[LondonBlue 1054]

  On 17/08/2023 at 06:23, Kitman said:

Youre probably right that they cant sack him,  but they dont have to restore him to the first team squad.  Unless they believe hes innocent ofc

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That just made me think. I suspect our owners (and yours) might take quite the principled moral stance with a "rapist". Possibly more so than with an american owned club. 

 

ps. Not saying that Mendy is a rapist btw. In fact i suspect that he isn't. Given one of the women went back to his place several months after being raped and, whilst taking a shower in his bedroom, was raped again. Not read all the details but that one is dodgy as.

[Kid Dynamite 7911]

  On 17/08/2023 at 08:03, wykikitoon said:

I think with Mendy, he was on remand at one point wasn't he?

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So was Greenwood for 2 days after breaking his bail conditions iirc

 

The whole thing is a minefield tbh. Mendy, Greenwood, Ched Evans, David Goodwillie, the Arsenal midfielder, Sigurddson. Bramble and Dyer had their own brushes with the law in the not too distant past. All similar types of allegations. 

 

Some have been charged and then found not guilty, some have ended up in jail, some have had convictions overturned, some have been released without charge. Where's the line in the sand for who gets to carry on playing football and who doesn't?

 

Personally speaking, if Greenwood played for us, with the video evidence available I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club. 

[wykikitoon 23680]

  On 17/08/2023 at 08:54, Kid Dynamite said:

So was Greenwood for 2 days after breaking his bail conditions iirc

 

The whole thing is a minefield tbh. Mendy, Greenwood, Ched Evans, David Goodwillie, the Arsenal midfielder, Sigurddson. Bramble and Dyer had their own brushes with the law in the not too distant past. All similar types of allegations. 

 

Some have been charged and then found not guilty, some have ended up in jail, some have had convictions overturned, some have been released without charge. Where's the line in the sand for who gets to carry on playing football and who doesn't?

 

Personally speaking, if Greenwood played for us, with the video evidence available I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club. 

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They should loan him to Besiktas and make it clear what he's done.

[MMXXVIII 1296]

 

Doing him a disservice with 79 like.

[toonotl 3569]

Sneak Attack 99

[Holden McGroin 7886]

  On 17/08/2023 at 09:23, MMXXVIII said:

 

Doing him a disservice with 79 like.

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His defence as well. It was so good it didn't go to trial. 

[RobinRobin 12863]

Criminal burden of proof is much higher. I would sack him and take my chances in court. 

Sunderland would take him. 

[Kid Dynamite 7911]

  On 17/08/2023 at 12:06, RobinRobin said:

Criminal burden of proof is much higher. I would sack him and take my chances in court. 

Sunderland would take him. 

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That would be a win/win for any sensible club. Take the moral high ground, sack him, and if it gets overturned at court then Greenwood still ends up coming out of it looking worse than the club 

[Polarboy 2317]

Callum Wilson on Chelsea's spending spree: "How many midfielders do they want? Let’s put this into context. Caicedo, I have not really seen much of him in midfield. We played against Brighton and he played at right-back against us. But for the price that he’s cost, you could get Tonali AND Guimaraes AND me!"

[Gemmill 52159]

I like Wilson on that podcast. He's a genuinely funny bloke.

[RobinRobin 12863]

Greenwood

 

 

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Trouble brewing (deservedly so).  Should make it easier for them to get rid, even if he does take them to Court.

 

[PaddockLad 19539]

Footballers are on fixed term contracts so getting rid isn’t that tricky. To Man Utd it’s the thought of their “asset” going somewhere else for noting that is the thing. That and roll neck wrong un actually wanting him back in the squad, obvs . Morality and men who run football are strangers