Jacob Murphy

[Gemmill 51968]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

It sounds like we agree. I hope this means we can avoid another summer of never ending CB v RW debate but I doubt it. How else are  we going to fill those slow summer months with no footie? There isn’t even an international tournament this summer to distract us. So sign me up for the pointless debating club 

 

Aye, I think we do agree. If we've got a bunch of money to spend this summer, it's time for upgrades across the board. As ever it'll be done in the order that our targets become available, and PSR permitting, so we won't get everything we want or need next window, but I hope we make some decent inroads at least. 

 

There's still LOADS of work to be done, but the majority of our first team is in place.

 

The paragraph that I wrote about Murphy, you could sub in Burn and Schar's names too. Love them both, but if we don't upgrade then at best we're standing still. 

 

[Isegrim 10685]

I can see us going for Gittens who put in a transfer request. He does mostly play on the left wing but would be an addition to Gordon an Barnes who can play on either wing, as does Gittens. Will be about 50-60 m according tonthe Gernan press.

[Isegrim 10685]

As for Murphy, he will most likely lose his first team place but his last couple of season will mean that he will be remembered fondly by the core of fans. What a great feeling this must be being a fan himself remembering his first few years at the club.

[PaddockLad 19486]

26 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

 

The paragraph that I wrote about Murphy, you could sub in Burn and Schar's names too. Love them both, but if we don't upgrade then at best we're standing still. 

 

Agreed. But I really can’t see us getting everything we need in one window. Everyone wants to identify what we need but no fucker is talking about money  

[Gemmill 51968]

54 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

As ever it'll be done in the order that our targets become available, and PSR permitting, so we won't get everything we want or need next window, but I hope we make some decent inroads at least. 

 

Did I fucking stutter? 

[Gemmill 51968]

Hey @t00nraider2. 

 

Have you got something to share with the group? 

[Gemmill 51968]

Well then fuck off, you mackem tit. 

[t00nraider2 41]

3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Hey @t00nraider2. 

 

Have you got something to share with the group? 

Nah yaal reet Sherlock. 

[PaddockLad 19486]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Did I fucking stutter? 

Hang on, what about hot bitch summer?… am just making sure you’re not cry arseing on September 1st. Gloom is setting himself up for a fall by going all in on a RWer. Think about it as bandwidth saving for the summer. No need to thank me  

[Gemmill 51968]

2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Hang on, what about hot bitch summer?… am just making sure you’re not cry arseing on September 1st. Gloom is setting himself up for a fall by going all in on a RWer. Think about it as bandwidth saving for the summer. No need to thank me  

 

Hot Mitch Summer is coming no diggity no doubt. But the twin constraints of target availability and PSR will be the clouds on the horizon. 

 

I'm still packing factor 50 though. 

[Kitman 2470]

I agree with Dr Gloom, I think Mitchell will shop abroad for new players with great potential and a lower price tag. I'd be very surprised if we shell out big bucks for the likes of Mbuemo or Elanga, assuming that they're even available.

I get the sense that Mitchell was brought in to get us away from expensive transfers, which rules out older and established PL players. I dont think there's any chance we'll go for the likes of Grealish, which is a good thing imo

 

Of course you never know, a marquee signing might be approved if we make the champions league, and they were a genuinely elite player. However I expect we'll be looking to bring in 4 or 5 quality players - with  several players leaving - so we wont spunk most of our transfer budget on one player.

[Andrew 5404]

Yeah, I can't see us shopping within the PL very much unless there is a deal to be had (release clauses, contracts coming to an end etc.), there is less value in the PL than ever with clubs simultaneously being richer than ever but needing to wring every penny out of transfers to help with PSR.

[toonotl 3557]

Agreed. I think at RW especially we need to be looking at a long term project player with immense potential. Basically Minteh v.2.

 

As for Murphy, he has done enough to retain his place in the side ahead of whoever we sign at RW. At least initially. His chemistry with Isak is incredible. His gameplan is simple and effective. He executes it very very well with early balls, intelligent movement and hardwork off the ball. For me, he seems a very intelligent and humble person and this seems to provide the platform for him to stick to his gameplan. And it works well with the overall team gameplan.

 

We're in an era where so many wingers won't take on their opponent for fear of losing possession. Murphy isn't that, thank god. And Howe doesn't have a possession first mindset. As a priorirty, he wants his wingers to use the ball not keep the ball. Murphy fits that mould perfectly. Gordon too.

 

Their greatest strength is that they don't fear losing possession. A lot of the credit for that goes to Howe. But also teammates and the individuals themselves deserve a lot of credit for knowing the gameplan and performing their roles within it to facilitate wingers with balls.

Edited April 8 by toonotl

[Rayvin 6351]

Actually makes the Minteh sale all the more annoying. Clearly we were happy with the planned development of that area, and PSR forces us to fuck it up just to sign a more expensive version a bit later.

[sammynb 3948]

If anything, the fact that JM is a right footed winger playing on the right side and therefore naturally wants to cross the ball inside to Isak, is the exact thing a "new" inverted type RW would take away from the team.

[sammynb 3948]

Just now, Rayvin said:

Actually makes the Minteh sale all the more annoying. Clearly we were happy with the planned development of that area, and PSR forces us to fuck it up just to sign a more expensive version a bit later.

 

Disagree, Minteh is a left footer playing on the right, that's why when Miggy was starting we were so narrow and Isak service was limited, JM's success has shown the limitations of playing with both winger being inverted.

[Rayvin 6351]

1 minute ago, sammynb said:

 

Disagree, Minteh is a left footer playing on the right, that's why when Miggy was starting we were so narrow and Isak service was limited, JM's success has shown the limitations of playing with both winger being inverted.

 

Fair point, although presumably the plan at some point was for Minteh to be the future of that role.

[sammynb 3948]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Fair point, although presumably the plan at some point was for Minteh to be the future of that role.

 

There is no doubt and we know EH loves an inverted winger, I just think Murphy has shown the worth of playing at least one side with a winger on their natural/stronger foot.

[Chaser 1423]

Murphy's success could largely be attributed to consistency and confidence. He's had the chance to make the position his own, grabbed a few assists and goals which has probably skyrocketed his confidence in a team full of stars and his decision making has been well, more decisive of late. It used to frustrate the fuck out of me when he would be part of a dynamic attack only to get so far and then play it inside or backwards. He's much improved in front of goal too. Living the dream as a Newcastle fan 

[toonotl 3557]

1 hour ago, sammynb said:

There is no doubt and we know EH loves an inverted winger, I just think Murphy has shown the worth of playing at least one side with a winger on their natural/stronger foot.

 

Yep. I reckon this is an astute observation. Playing one inverted winger and one traditional winger makes us naturally have more width to our setup -- even though we're effectively lopsided with our front three. But it is balanced out again by the nature of our fullbacks and the natural ability Joelinton has to also make overlapping runs from the left side of midfield. It all seems to synergise nicely.

 

We could have both fullbacks overlapping in principle to add the width on both sides with two inverted wingers, but it actually seems to work nicely with one traditional winger in front of a fullback who is more defensively minded to provide cover at the back, and then an inverted winger in front of a more attacking wing back looking to overlap and get crosses in on the other side. There's definitely a good bit of variety to our play and you have to imagine it makes us more difficult to play against when everything is working well to provide each side of the pitch with a different aspect to challenges opposition defenders in different ways.

 

In saying that, I do think we'll be looking to buy a left-footed RW. If nothing else it provides further options to how everything can possibly fit together in a starting XI.

[RobinRobin 12793]

7 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

So sign me up for the pointless debating club 

Thought you were President  

[RobinRobin 12793]

6 hours ago, t00nraider2 said:

Nah yaal reet Sherlock. 

[Toonpack 11987]

7 hours ago, sammynb said:

If anything, the fact that JM is a right footed winger playing on the right side and therefore naturally wants to cross the ball inside to Isak, is the exact thing a "new" inverted type RW would take away from the team.

Agree with that, although another good thing about Murphy is he’s not just right footed, he can use his left reasonably well, for more than just standing on.

 

He’s also turned 30 now, so we definitely need a succession/replacement plan sorted.

[Craig 7202]

10 hours ago, toonotl said:

As for Murphy, he has done enough to retain his place in the side ahead of whoever we sign at RW. At least initially. His chemistry with Isak is incredible. His gameplan is simple and effective. He executes it very very well with early balls, intelligent movement and hardwork off the ball. For me, he seems a very intelligent and humble person and this seems to provide the platform for him to stick to his gameplan. And it works well with the overall team gameplan.

This for me. 

The footballing world has largely identified Isak as the best striker in Europe, but he's not doing it by himself. But then neither is it all down to his Murphy - it's the entire system which, as some one else said, Eddie fucking Howe, man! 

Inverted winger on one side, traditional winger on the other, both with overlapping full backs and a marauding central midfield provides Isak with the perfect stage to demonstrate his craft. 

Massive shout out to Livramento in recent weeks btw, since Hall has been out injured. I was quite critical of him when he was playing RB - perhaps unfairly, but since he's been filling in the left back role, he's been outstanding. Both Isak's goal in the cup final and Murphy's first goal on Monday were the product of balls whipped in from the left flank by Livramento. Isn't he traditionally right-footed? Adam Clery's piece on him in the Cup Final is worth a watch as well if you haven't already seen it - dealt with both Quansah and Salah throughout the game.

[PaddockLad 19486]

7 minutes ago, Craig said:

This for me. 

The footballing world has largely identified Isak as the best striker in Europe, but he's not doing it by himself. But then neither is it all down to his Murphy - it's the entire system which, as some one else said, Eddie fucking Howe, man! 

Inverted winger on one side, traditional winger on the other, both with overlapping full backs and a marauding central midfield provides Isak with the perfect stage to demonstrate his craft. 

Massive shout out to Livramento in recent weeks btw, since Hall has been out injured. I was quite critical of him when he was playing RB - perhaps unfairly, but since he's been filling in the left back role, he's been outstanding. Both Isak's goal in the cup final and Murphy's first goal on Monday were the product of balls whipped in from the left flank by Livramento. Isn't he traditionally right-footed? Adam Clery's piece on him in the Cup Final is worth a watch as well if you haven't already seen it - dealt with both Quansah and Salah throughout the game.

In the future it will be acclaimed that Howe and Livramento killed the inverted winger stone fuckin dead in the 2025 league cup final  

 

I think we’ll see teams playing full backs on their opposite sides next season