Jacob Murphy

[Gemmill 51813]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

Southampton apparently asking for £100m for him might lead us to look elsewhere

 

Sounds like they're expecting a bid from Chelsea. 

[Toonpack 11953]

41 minutes ago, Craig said:

For me both CB and second striker are greater priorities. I think they will be for the club as well.

No doubt we'll still be hamstrung by PSR this summer and the concern is for a RW to come in, we might need to be considering offloading more from the squad. 

If it come down to someone like Miley being sold to finance a RW coming in, I'd favour sticking with Miley tbh.

Careful Craig you’ll have the MRWGA cult on your case with that sort of sensible talk.

[PaddockLad 19454]

People need to think about the level Murphy is playing at this season and then they need to see where he sits among the whole of Europe in goal involvements. In this division only Salah and Isak sit above him. Now go and think how much a direct replacement might cost. He’s one of the best players in Europe in his position this season and he needs to be replaced with very similar quality.

 

Not sure if Mitchell is known for utilising the loan market to any great extent but I look at Asensio at Villa and I think he’s been a good signing. Champions league would help with that, so does Spanish manager too I suppose..

[Dr Gloom 24103]

3 minutes ago, Craig said:

Absolutely nuts! 

If we do go down the route of signing a RW this summer I think Mbeumo is a realistic target. I heard rumours from someone with connections to Brentford that we've sounded the idea out, but rumours is all it is. 

Lots of people on social media talking about Elanga. Complete non-starter - he's loving life in a squad he feels an integral part of having been pretty much ostracised at Man United and he's almost certain to be playing CL football next season without moving clubs. He's going nowhere!

 

summer was the time to get him. the price as rumoured at £30m then. he'll be double that now. mbeumo would be a class signing, has shown he can do it in the PL and can also cover CF but he'll be north of £50-60m and possibly out of our price range. 

 

i think we will a new transfer strategy and will sign lesser known player players this summer - probably from abroad, who mitchell has identified - the sort that don't break the bank. this is why mitchell has been brought in. i think we'll avoid another guehi saga and hopefully do most of our business under the radar.

[Dr Gloom 24103]

more on potential RW targets from mark douglas 

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-options-new-right-winger-70m-target-3607430?srsltid=AfmBOopUWPp2TsKGglITVbA_MMz2nNFLybatjc4clOEOXSvmBjkt9tC3

[The Fish 11384]

Haven't most of the signings we've made kind of come out of the blue. Or at least not been a protracted dance in the media? 

 

I mean, Guehi stories were mostly being leaked by Palace, weren't they?

[Craig 7127]

3 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Haven't most of the signings we've made kind of come out of the blue. Or at least not been a protracted dance in the media? 

 

I mean, Guehi stories were mostly being leaked by Palace, weren't they?

Probably by Parrish himself, the absolute weapon.

[Dr Gloom 24103]

36 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Haven't most of the signings we've made kind of come out of the blue. Or at least not been a protracted dance in the media? 

 

I mean, Guehi stories were mostly being leaked by Palace, weren't they?

 

yeah, a lot of times reporters have only had a clue untiil the deals were all but done. isak was one rare example that was trailed months before he signed, but when it happened it also came out of the blue and was completed quite quickly. the protracted guehi saga was the first of its kind since the takeover. not our usual style at all. 

 

this summer is mitchell's first proper go at it after the non event in january. it'll be interesting to see how he operates but it sounds like we will be shopping in a different market to previously. hopefully all kept under wraps too. depends on the selling club tough. if you end up dealing with a muppet like parish, trying to engineer a bidding war, you can't stop it getting leaked. 

[David Kelly 1356]

3 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

People need to think about the level Murphy is playing at this season and then they need to see where he sits among the whole of Europe in goal involvements. In this division only Salah and Isak sit above him. Now go and think how much a direct replacement might cost. He’s one of the best players in Europe in his position this season and he needs to be replaced with very similar quality.

 

Not sure if Mitchell is known for utilising the loan market to any great extent but I look at Asensio at Villa and I think he’s been a good signing. Champions league would help with that, so does Spanish manager too I suppose..

That's not actually true.  I assume you're basing it on what was shown last night but that was since December I think.  Over the season as a whole there are more players who have more involvements than him (Haaland, Palmer, Wood, Mbeumo to name a few).  But your point certainly remains valid as sixteen in the league is good numbers and especially when you consider he had ten league goal involvements in 21 games last season as well (although I can't fully get behind the assist stat as you could tap a two yard pass to someone who then smashes one in from forty yards and get that classed as an assist).

I've never been Murphy's biggest fan, I still think he's very limited when he has to think, but he seems such a great lad that you have to be happy for him and it's impossible to argue with the numbers he's putting up at the moment to go along with the graft he's always put in.  I still believe we will be looking to replace him, but it's clearly no the easy job that it looked like a few year ago.

[aimaad22 4903]

5 hours ago, RobElliott said:

I think Jacobs form is a lot different to Miggys purple patch where he just scored worldies for 8 games. The improvement in Murphy feels more like the improvement in Big Joe following Eddies coaching.

 

I see RW as a slightly lower priority now for the summer, they might go in for a younger cheaper understudy to develop (as Minteh seemed to be).

 

Highest priority for the Summer has got to be cover for Isak and CB

 

 

I agree on the Miggy comparison, unfair on Murphy that. Almiron had an insane purple patch but reverted to his usual self after that failing to look an improved player even under Howe. Murhpy can be inconsistent too but his end product is levels above Almiron's, even before this season.

 

Fair play to Murphy like, one of the most underrated players in the league. Hard worker but it's not just that, he's worked on his game and consistently had impact. 

 

I can understand RW being a priority, maybe after Wilson's replacement and a fast CB as you said. If we get in the CL the aim should be to have 2 quality players in every position. 

[Dr Gloom 24103]

If we’re honest Murphy isn’t an elite player and never will be, despite his numbers being right up there this season. He has a technical ceiling - a lot like Miggy. But Howe has got him playing to his maximum potential and a lot of credit has to go to the player for doing what is being asked of him. I loved his first finish last night. He made it look easy but it wasn’t and he is frequently getting into dangerous positions at the back post to score or assist. 
 

He’s definitely worth keeping. He’s living his best life, playing for the club he supports, he seems like he’s a well-liked member of the squad and won’t be on massive wages. 
 

We’re so light on competition in that position though. Neither Gordon nor Barnes are as effective in that role despite being better technically than Murphy. I expect Howe to buy an inverted RW this summer who is equally happy cutting in and shooting on his left or going to the byline and crossing it. All the top CL clubs have players like that on both wings. 

[aimaad22 4903]

Aaaargh he's nothing like Miggy man. He's direct, decisive and has got an end product. Which is why he starts for Howe's cup winning team whereas the other was on the bench as soon as the patch was over. 

 

Eddie knows. 

[Craig 7127]

12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

If we’re honest Murphy isn’t an elite player and never will be, despite his numbers being right up there this season. He has a technical ceiling - a lot like Miggy. But Howe has got him playing to his maximum potential and a lot of credit has to go to the player for doing what is being asked of him. I loved his first finish last night. He made it look easy but it wasn’t and he is frequently getting into dangerous positions at the back post to score or assist. 
 

He’s definitely worth keeping. He’s living his best life, playing for the club he supports, he seems like he’s a well-liked member of the squad and won’t be on massive wages. 
 

We’re so light on competition in that position though. Neither Gordon nor Barnes are as effective in that role despite being better technically than Murphy. I expect Howe to buy an inverted RW this summer who is equally happy cutting in and shooting on his left or going to the byline and crossing it. All the top CL clubs have players like that on both wings. 

Define an 'elite player', and would you consider perhaps Joelinton being one of them?

4 years ago, Joelinton was considered a flop and the laughing stock of Tyneside. I get your point but with the right coaching and importantly, with the right system he's doing a fantastic job for us and whilst I agree we need strength in numbers in that position, we need to exercise caution on wanting an elite name in the position. 

There's no guarantee that splashing out on an Elanga or Mbeumo is going to result in them gelling with the current squad. These players are at a level where with the right attitude and coaching, they can be successful and he currently is being. 

As I said I get your point, but there's no silver bullet.

[Gemmill 51813]

The top and bottom of it is that outside of Bruno, Tonali, Joelinton, Botman, Livramento, Hall, Gordon, and Isak, we will need to upgrade the rest of the first team to get to where we want to be. And we'll need to fill out the squad with quality too so we can play a genuine squad game. 

 

I love Murphy and I hope he's got another couple of seasons in him at the club, but if he's still in the starting lineup every week next season, then either PSR is kicking our arses again or we've ballsed the transfer window. 

 

 

[aimaad22 4903]

Mental how close we are to doing that mind, that's about 3-4 players and you arguably could be in a title race if the signings work out. 

 

We may yet finish 3rd this season on top of the cup having signed nobody for nigh on 2 years while the clubs around us have apparently landed themselves in serious PSR difficulties getting here. 

 

Eddie fucking Howe  

[PaddockLad 19454]

45 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

If we’re honest Murphy isn’t an elite player and never will be, despite his numbers being right up there this season. He has a technical ceiling - a lot like Miggy. But Howe has got him playing to his maximum potential and a lot of credit has to go to the player for doing what is being asked of him. I loved his first finish last night. He made it look easy but it wasn’t and he is frequently getting into dangerous positions at the back post to score or assist. 
 

He’s definitely worth keeping. He’s living his best life, playing for the club he supports, he seems like he’s a well-liked member of the squad and won’t be on massive wages. 
 

We’re so light on competition in that position though. Neither Gordon nor Barnes are as effective in that role despite being better technically than Murphy. I expect Howe to buy an inverted RW this summer who is equally happy cutting in and shooting on his left or going to the byline and crossing it. All the top CL clubs have players like that on both wings. 

How much will we need to spend on Murphy’s direct replacement? 
 

No one’s putting a figure on anything here so we’re still pissing about playing fuckin computer simulations. Am saying north of 55 million. And what knock on does that have on other priorities?…

Edited April 8 by PaddockLad

[Dr Gloom 24103]

17 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

How much will we need to spend on Murphy’s direct replacement? 
 

No one’s putting a figure on anything here so we’re still pissing about playing fuckin computer simulations. Am saying north of 55 million. And what knock on does that have on other priorities?…

depends on the replacement. If we sign a PL ready Mbuemo type then yeah, I’d agree it would need to be £50m+
 

I think a cheaper, younger player from abroad is more Mitchell’s style though. The sort of player who may not take Murphy’s place straight away but will push him for a starting spot, give us an good rotation option and has the potential to be better once he’s had the Howe treatment. In the Lewis Hall mould. 

[Dr Gloom 24103]

47 minutes ago, Craig said:

Define an 'elite player', and would you consider perhaps Joelinton being one of them?

4 years ago, Joelinton was considered a flop and the laughing stock of Tyneside. I get your point but with the right coaching and importantly, with the right system he's doing a fantastic job for us and whilst I agree we need strength in numbers in that position, we need to exercise caution on wanting an elite name in the position. 

There's no guarantee that splashing out on an Elanga or Mbeumo is going to result in them gelling with the current squad. These players are at a level where with the right attitude and coaching, they can be successful and he currently is being. 

As I said I get your point, but there's no silver bullet.

I love Murphy but I don’t think he’ll ever be an elite player. I’m not knocking him for that. It’s a testament to him for putting the work in - and Howe’s coaching - that he’s still starting games and performing years after the takeover.

 

I’d say an elite RW in the modern game is strong on his left foot and can do the inverted thing by cutting inside and shooting but also has a higher technical ceiling then Murphy and can go on the outside too. 
 

I don’t think Joelinton is elite technically but he is a unique player. A brute of a midfielder who covers an unbelievable amount of ground and provides balance to Bruno and Tonali by bullying opponents. He’s a lot like Murphy in the sense that he’d been written off and has come back stronger thanks in part to Howe’s coaching. But I think his ceiling is higher. 
 

I’m not sure we will splash out on a proven PL player such as Mbuemo or Elanga this summer tbh. PSR means we have to find better value and that might mean taking a punt on a young player from overseas. I think that’s what we’ll see happen with Mitchell running the show. Whatever option they take I think it’s clear we need competition in that position. 

[Howmanheyman 37580]

Surely we could raid the championship clubs for their best talent? I'm hearing rumours there's £50m rated young players down there already at one particular club but it could be hard to prise them away because why would they want to leave? 

[PaddockLad 19454]

20 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

depends on the replacement. If we sign a PL ready Mbuemo type then yeah, I’d agree it would need to be £50m+
 

I think a cheaper, younger player from abroad is more Mitchell’s style though. The sort of player who may not take Murphy’s place straight away but will push him for a starting spot, give us an good rotation option and has the potential to be better once he’s had the Howe treatment. In the Lewis Hall mould. 

Ok. So that’s a 6-12 month project minimum to get up to speed given Howe’s legendary reticence in throwing young players in straight away. I hope we’re all happy with that as an “upgrade” because the way it’s talked about sometimes I think people’s expectations are a bit high.

 

I think we certainly could get Mbueno if we’re in the champions league. That’s the pivot upon which the summer hinges… I think we’ll do it

 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 24103]

6 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Ok. So that’s a 6-12 month project minimum to get up to speed given Howe’s legendary reticence in throwing young players in straight away. I hope we’re all happy with that as an “upgrade” because the way it’s talked about sometimes I think people’s expectations are a bit high.

 

I think we certainly could get Mbueno if we’re in the champions league. That’s the pivot upon which the summer hinges… I think we’ll do it

 

 

 

 the kid from the Dutch side or the Celtic RW we’ve been linked with would be more affordable 

[Dr Gloom 24103]

Or more likely it’s some cunt we haven’t been linked with at all

[Gemmill 51813]

51 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Ok. So that’s a 6-12 month project minimum to get up to speed given Howe’s legendary reticence in throwing young players in straight away. I hope we’re all happy with that as an “upgrade” because the way it’s talked about sometimes I think people’s expectations are a bit high.

 

I think we certainly could get Mbueno if we’re in the champions league. That’s the pivot upon which the summer hinges… I think we’ll do it

 

 

 

 

 

Mmmm... Bueno. 

[Dr Gloom 24103]

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

Ok. So that’s a 6-12 month project minimum to get up to speed given Howe’s legendary reticence in throwing young players in straight away. I hope we’re all happy with that as an “upgrade” because the way it’s talked about sometimes I think people’s expectations are a bit high.

 

I think we certainly could get Mbueno if we’re in the champions league. That’s the pivot upon which the summer hinges… I think we’ll do it

 

 

 

that would be the case even if we sign an established player. He’ll bed them into his way of playing before throwing them in to start games 

[Dr Gloom 24103]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

The top and bottom of it is that outside of Bruno, Tonali, Joelinton, Botman, Livramento, Hall, Gordon, and Isak, we will need to upgrade the rest of the first team to get to where we want to be. And we'll need to fill out the squad with quality too so we can play a genuine squad game. 

 

I love Murphy and I hope he's got another couple of seasons in him at the club, but if he's still in the starting lineup every week next season, then either PSR is kicking our arses again or we've ballsed the transfer window. 

 

 

It sounds like we agree. I hope this means we can avoid another summer of never ending CB v RW debate but I doubt it. How else are  we going to fill those slow summer months with no footie? There isn’t even an international tournament this summer to distract us. So sign me up for the pointless debating club