WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

[Rayvin 5217]

Basically if something is in the distance and you cannot see it from sea level, then climbing a height will bring it into focus due to less dense atmosphere allowing you to get that object reflected light to your eyes.

The sun is no different.

Brian Cox messed up when he took a ride is a jet and commented on the jet catching up with the Earth's supposed rotation and actually stopping the sun in it's tracks due to this supposed 650 mph flight supposedly rendering the Earth spin as stationary to the pilot and him.

And yet we are told that the Atmosphere drags everything along.

 

All Cox had done was actually catch up to the suns movement over the Earth and followed it at a precise movement.

What does this tell us?

 

At best...assuming the 650 mph jet speed was legit, then it shows us that the sun is inside Earth and also moving at 650 mph over it.

 

 

But you said the sun goes up and down? How can it go up and down and also sideways across the world at 650mph?

 

You also keep saying atmosphere drags things along as if this is what we're telling you - we're not. We're saying that everything on earth; you, me, the atmosphere, all have momentum that matches the spin of the earth. Nothing is being dragged by the atmosphere.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Rayvin

[wolfy 12]

Just now, The Fish said:

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well, no proof that you'll accept, but proof that has been scrutinised, challenged, picked apart and put back together for centuries by the greatest minds. Obviously you know better than Newton, Archimedes, Galileo and so on 

It's not a case of me knowing better. What do these people know and how did they managed to come to this decision for it to be relevant to this very day?

So what proof's are there that we can all verify as a definitive truth?

Nobody wants to accept that water is flat and level, even though we actually use it to level things.

They would rather accept that it simply clings to a spinning ball when logic should tell people how nonsensical that is.

 

But....enter Newton and all the old supposed genius scientists that just knew what was what with the crap tools they had.

Just now, The Fish said:

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Then of course there are the brave men and women who have ventured into space and seen with their own eyes the globe, and of course the brave men and women who've flown at the reaches of our atmosphere who can see the curvature of the planet too... but they're all in on it, right?

That's down to each persons thoughts on it.

I don't believe in the space they tell us about.

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I'm listing them all. You are connected to the internet, google it fucker.

Why is that an issue? If you believe it, do it. You needn't reach the edge, just prove there is a measurable change in temperature and density that isn't explained by the current model.

Does it get colder going towards what we are told is, Antarctica?

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No I don't. I see a sun passing from east to west, over my head. If the sun was central it would rise and fall on the same horizon. It doesn't.

All horizons are your personal viewpoint. the vanishing point of land and sky or sea and sky or whatever.

You see a sun passing from east to west. You could see this all around a circle at anytime the sun reaches that point.

Naturally you won't have that because you believe you're on a ball.

Just now, The Fish said:

That's explained by the current model, and you've shown nothing that proves it's denpressure.

Lot's of things can be explained. Proving them is a tad more difficult.

[wolfy 12]

16 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

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But you said the sun goes up and down? How can it go up and down and also sideways across the world at 650mph?

I said it moves over the dome as a reflection.

16 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

You also keep saying atmosphere drags things along as if this is what we're telling you - we're not. We're saying that everything on earth; you, me, the atmosphere, all have momentum that matches the spin of the earth. Nothing is being dragged by the atmosphere.

Yep but you cannot leave your atmosphere behind, other wise we'd all have our bodies air blasted into oblivion at the speeds the Earth supposedly spins.

Either way it's illogical, so there has to be another real explanation for it.

 

[Rayvin 5217]

Even if the atmosphere was left behind, which isn't what I said, we wouldn't be blasted off into space. The atmosphere doesn't hold us to earth, gravity does. I think you've blended your theory about atmospheric pressure with our view there.

 

On the sun, you're saying it's reflected in the ceiling of the cell. Why would the reflection move? And surely we'd be able to see where the source is?

[The Fish 10856]

5 minutes ago, wolfy said:

It's not a case of me knowing better. What do these people know and how did they managed to come to this decision for it to be relevant to this very day?

So what proof's are there that we can all verify as a definitive truth?

Nobody wants to accept that water is flat and level, even though we actually use it to level things.

They would rather accept that it simply clings to a spinning ball when logic should tell people how nonsensical that is.

I've proven that liquid will surround a ball, curving with it. You ignored it. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, wolfy said:

 

But....enter Newton and all the old supposed genius scientists that just knew what was what with the crap tools they had.

No, enter Newton et al, with years of hypothesis, rigorous experimentation and testing of that hypothesis, and proof or rejection of that hypothesis. Followed by decades of other brilliant minds poking at the hypothesis from every engle, looking for and sometimes finding inaccuracies or errors.

5 minutes ago, wolfy said:

That's down to each persons thoughts on it.

Well, their thoughts, their videos, their instruments and every thing else. Unfortunately that doesn't satisfy Wolfy, because.... Well no reason other than his arrogance.

5 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Does it get colder going towards what we are told is, Antarctica?

It does, and people have been there to measure the cold, the atmospheric conditions, and so on. Yet nobody, in the history of humanity has ever come close to the edge of your proposed dome, have they? Nobody, even when people believed we lived upon a flat earth.

 

5 minutes ago, wolfy said:

All horizons are your personal viewpoint. the vanishing point of land and sky or sea and sky or whatever.

You see a sun passing from east to west. You could see this all around a circle at anytime the sun reaches that point.

But you said the sun goes up and down, now you're saying it orbits this dome? Within the dome? That would mean, at specific times the sun is lower than the roof of this dome, so people could fly over it, right?

5 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Lot's of things can be explained. Proving them is a tad more difficult.

Right, and the globe has been proven, your theories have no proof. None whatsoever,  not anecdotal, empirical, mathematical...ecumenical...

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892]

Wolfy has Cosmophobia and cannot accept his place in an infinite universe where he is small and inconsequential. So he has constructed a smaller universe and world where he feels comfortable and not under the sway of vast cosmic occurrences. This anchors his personality to a small enclosed safe world where he can then operate. Allowing himself to open up to the realities of a vast endless universe would and I guess have in the past caused him great anxiety and possibly a breakdown.

 

 

[wolfy 12]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

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Even if the atmosphere was left behind, which isn't what I said, we wouldn't be blasted off into space.

I'm not talking about blasting off into your space. I'm talking about a good old friction blasting from a super 650 mph up to over 1000 mph, allegedly...wind.

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

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The atmosphere doesn't hold us to earth, gravity does. I think you've blended your theory about atmospheric pressure with our view there.

Atmospheric pressure keeps us pushed/squeezed to the Earth, not fictional gravity.

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

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On the sun, you're saying it's reflected in the ceiling of the cell. Why would the reflection move? And surely we'd be able to see where the source is?

 

Considering the Earth is a massive place and considering that we literally cannot see that far, never mind getting close enough to see where a sun comes from.

However, remnants of where the energy comes from can be seen by what's known as the northern lights.

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

I've smoked northern lights and felt anything but energetic afterwards

[Rayvin 5217]

One thing I do find intriguing here, is the premise for why gravity exists at all. I understand how it works, but not why it functions in the way it does. Why should an object with mass exert a force on other objects with mass around it? I googled it yesterday and it seems that people have concluded that the force itself is a manifestation of the curvature of spacetime. One article put it quite well when it suggested we think of a blanket being stretched out, and then having a ball dropped into it. It distorts the otherwise flat blanket in such a way that any smaller objects then added to the blanked are then pulled towards it.

 

But while this is a reasonable satisfying answer, it doesn't consider why this should be the case at all. I don't know if we'll ever understand it, and I'm sure Wolfy will point to this as part of the global conspiracy and note how it doesn't make any sense, but it's interesting to think about.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Rayvin

[The Fish 10856]

3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I'm sure Wolfy will point to this as part of the global conspiracy and note how it doesn't make any sense

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[wolfy 12]

11 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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I've proven that liquid will surround a ball, curving with it. You ignored it. 

Fine if you believe you've proved it.  I disagree that you've proved anything at all about Earth.

11 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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No, enter Newton et al, with years of hypothesis, rigorous experimentation and testing of that hypothesis, and proof or rejection of that hypothesis. Followed by decades of other brilliant minds poking at the hypothesis from every engle, looking for and sometimes finding inaccuracies or errors.

Well, their thoughts, their videos, their instruments and every thing else. Unfortunately that doesn't satisfy Wolfy, because.... Well no reason other than his arrogance.

 

You can call it arrogance or you can call it a case of me not seeing any real proof other than a basic theory that is cast out as a truth.

11 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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It does, and people have been there to measure the cold, the atmospheric conditions, and so on. Yet nobody, in the history of humanity has ever come close to the edge of your proposed dome, have they? Nobody, even when people believed we lived upon a flat earth.

Possibly close to the start of the elevation of it and not being able to venture further...maybe.

 

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But you said the sun goes up and down, now you're saying it orbits this dome? Within the dome? That would mean, at specific times the sun is lower than the roof of this dome, so people could fly over it, right?

I'm not saying it orbits any dome.

I said it goes under the dome by reflection on the inner dome.

 

11 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Right, and the globe has been proven, your theories have no proof. None whatsoever,  not anecdotal, empirical, mathematical...ecumenical...

You keep telling me that the globe has been proven and yet I've never seen any real proof of a globe other than nonsensical stitched together supposed photos of a ball in space and theories that explain more fantasy than reality.

The issue is, it's officially put out so if we are told unicorns live on what they tell us is. mars and show us what we all assume a unicorn looks like, most people would actually argue the case for it.

Let's be honest. Many swallowed landing a rover on mars by parachute and them thrusters and then they tell us that mars is close to vacuum conditions with extreme minute atmosphere.

And yet they take the complete piss out of us by showing a parachute deploying to arrest a supposed fall.

Then they show us massive dust clouds on this near vacuum.

 

You see....one fantasy gets a little over the top and they have to back track and try and rescue the nonsense by using more nonsense.

 

They do it with all this crap space idiocy.

[wolfy 12]

23 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Wolfy has Cosmophobia and cannot accept his place in an infinite universe where he is small and inconsequential. So he has constructed a smaller universe and world where he feels comfortable and not under the sway of vast cosmic occurrences. This anchors his personality to a small enclosed safe world where he can then operate. Allowing himself to open up to the realities of a vast endless universe would and I guess have in the past caused him great anxiety and possibly a breakdown.

 

 

We are threatened daily with rogue asteroids and all kinds of crap like that.

We never get hit by anything other than a turd from a plane, or a stray tyre flung stone from a motorway.

 

Every time a supposed meteorite heads for Earth it manages to land somewhere in the back end of Russia or Antarctica, etc.

If it's a falling so called satellite, it falls in the Australian outback.

 

If I was going to fill people full of flange, then I'd make up the same stuff, because nobody can prove it.

Just like the ISS actornauts  back into the so called re-entry capsules after binning what appeared like a very comfortable shuttle, in order for them to land in the back of beyond in places like Kazakhstan.

Landing by parachute but jettisoning a supposed heat plate before an arresting explosion takes place to ensure they don't land with a crunch.

 

It begs questioning and can literally be seen for the nonsense that it is, as far as I'm concerned. 

 

[Meenzer 15518]

I'm also suspicious of people who choose to walk on a clean bit of pavement when they could be stepping in dogshit. It's just too convenient.

[wolfy 12]

26 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

One thing I do find intriguing here, is the premise for why gravity exists at all. I understand how it works, but not why it functions in the way it does. Why should an object with mass exert a force on other objects with mass around it? I googled it yesterday and it seems that people have concluded that the force itself is a manifestation of the curvature of spacetime. One article put it quite well when it suggested we think of a blanked being stretched out, and then having a ball dropped into it. It distorts the otherwise flat blanket in such a way that any smaller objects then added to the blanked are then pulled towards it.

 

But while this is a reasonable satisfying answer, it doesn't consider why this should be the case at all. I don't know if we'll ever understand it, and I'm sure Wolfy will point to this as part of the global conspiracy and note how it doesn't make any sense, but it's interesting to think about.

Warped space time in this space vacuum we're told about.

You can warp space right here. We do it every time we move as does every object that's part of the atmosphere.

So space is like a blanket with a sun in and the Earth and all other so called planets just falling around the big indentation of the blanket and just play the wall of death.

So why is this blanket just indented on one area and not all around this so called sun?

 

They are using fictional space to explain what's really happening.

A ball in atmosphere would push away the atmosphere it is in and that atmosphere that has been pushed aside would be pushing right back onto the ball.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

If mass attracted mass like we were told then a huge iron ball would attract speck sized matter to it.

A mountain would simply attract grains of dust to it.

 

Gravity cannot be explained as a force because it is simply made up to hide the reality of atmospheric pressure upon any dense object.

Edited May 18, 2017 by wolfy

[wolfy 12]

7 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

I'm also suspicious of people who choose to walk on a clean bit of pavement when they could be stepping in dogshit. It's just too convenient.

Maybe they are scared of close encountering a turd kind. You just never know.

[The Fish 10856]

29 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Fine if you believe you've proved it.  I disagree that you've proved anything at all about Earth.

Did you watch the video showing a spherical magnet and ferrous liquid?

 

29 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Possibly close to the start of the elevation of it and not being able to venture further...maybe.

 

So you've got no real answer then? "possibly, maybe"

[wolfy 12]

47 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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Did you watch the video showing a spherical magnet and ferrous liquid?

Yeah. It doesn't go anywhere near proving anything about gravity and oceans on a supposed spinning Earth globe.

47 minutes ago, The Fish said:

So you've got no real answer then? "possibly, maybe"

No. I can't take you there no more than you can show me a globe and what not.

 

[The Fish 10856]

4 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Yeah. It doesn't go anywhere near proving anything about gravity and oceans on a supposed spinning Earth globe.

It proves that liquid can surround the curved surface of sphere. 

 

Factalackadingdong

 

 

4 minutes ago, wolfy said:

No. I can't take you there no more than you can show me a globe and what not.

 

Well, there's nobody that has ever seen anything that you describe, and yet there are people who've seen the globe, so stick that up your dome and denpressure it.

 

To be honest, I'd like to do a kickstarter, collect up all the flatearthers & Wolfy, send 'em up into space on the Virgin Galactic doohickey, show them they've wasted their lives, then have them all apologise to each and every one of us that has had to listen to their ill-conceived nonsense.

 

[Rayvin 5217]

3 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 

To be honest, I'd like to do a kickstarter, collect up all the flatearthers & Wolfy, send 'em up into space on the Virgin Galactic doohickey, show them they've wasted their lives, then have them all apologise to each and every one of us that has had to listen to their ill-conceived nonsense.

 

 

I am nearly certain that this whole thing is an elaborate ruse to bring about this exact scenario.

[Park Life 71]

Fish get out before you're checked into the loony bin.

 

Edited May 18, 2017 by Park Life

[wolfy 12]

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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It proves that liquid can surround the curved surface of sphere. 

 

Factalackadingdong

 

Nahh, it doesn't.

 

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

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Well, there's nobody that has ever seen anything that you describe, and yet there are people who've seen the globe.

Nobody has seen the globe of Earth because Earth isn't a globe.

People have seen pictures depicting so called blue marble globe and when pressed on it, have said it's composites. Stitched together pictures.

 

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

To be honest, I'd like to do a kickstarter, collect up all the flatearthers & Wolfy, send 'em up into space on the Virgin Galactic doohickey, show them they've wasted their lives, then have them all apologise to each and every one of us that has had to listen to their ill-conceived nonsense.

 

The ball is in your court. Let me know when it's all set up.

First of all, I'd like to see someone go up physically before I get sent up. You know...just so I can be sure that humans get on these so called space rockets.

Maybe I'll have to stand back about 10 miles before viewing it all. 

[The Fish 10856]

Just now, Park Life said:

Fish get out before you're checked into the loony bin.

 

Nah, I'm frosty.

 

Just funny now isn't it. It's like some local Police captain from bumfuck Idaho facing the national press and his worldview crumbles around him. 

 

Or Sean Spicer.

[The Fish 10856]

Just now, wolfy said:

Nahh, it doesn't.

Does like.

Just now, wolfy said:

 

Nobody has seen the globe of Earth because Earth isn't a globe.

People have seen pictures depicting so called blue marble globe and when pressed on it, have said it's composites. Stitched together pictures.

They have though haven't they because it is.

 

Just now, wolfy said:

 

The ball is in your court. Let me know when it's all set up.

First of all, I'd like to see someone go up physically before I get sent up. You know...just so I can be sure that humans get on these so called space rockets.

Maybe I'll have to stand back about 10 miles before viewing it all. 

But you wouldn't believe it if they came back and described it, because you haven't believed it when people have come back and described it.

[Park Life 71]

1 hour ago, wolfy said:

Warped space time in this space vacuum we're told about.

You can warp space right here. We do it every time we move as does every object that's part of the atmosphere.

So space is like a blanket with a sun in and the Earth and all other so called planets just falling around the big indentation of the blanket and just play the wall of death.

So why is this blanket just indented on one area and not all around this so called sun?

 

They are using fictional space to explain what's really happening.

A ball in atmosphere would push away the atmosphere it is in and that atmosphere that has been pushed aside would be pushing right back onto the ball.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

If mass attracted mass like we were told then a huge iron ball would attract speck sized matter to it.

A mountain would simply attract grains of dust to it.

 

Gravity cannot be explained as a force because it is simply made up to hide the reality of atmospheric pressure upon any dense object.

[wolfy 12]

7 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

But you wouldn't believe it if they came back and described it, because you haven't believed it when people have come back and described it.

Set it up so we can go and watch live astronauts get into a rocket and blast off into the sky.

That's all I would need to convince me.

I literally would not need to see them return any time soon.

 

I'm not asking for much.

How close do you think I'll get?

 

Edited May 18, 2017 by wolfy