WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

[wolfy 12]

Just now, Alex said:

No

Ok, fair enough.

[Park Life 71]

We've done the 'cell' earth. Have you got anything else?

[wolfy 12]

Just now, Park Life said:

We've done the 'cell' earth. Have you got anything else?

Depends what you're looking for.

[Park Life 71]

Just now, wolfy said:

Depends what you're looking for.

Some semblance of intelligence.

[wolfy 12]

Just now, Park Life said:

Some semblance of intelligence.

So what exactly are you looking for that pertains to this?

[Park Life 71]

1 minute ago, wolfy said:

So what exactly are you looking for that pertains to this?

That you've found a new angle in something we haven't considered and not just the retread of the old flat earth nonsense with the 'cell' variation.

[The Fish 10856]

14 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Are you telling me I should accept it if I don't?

No, not at all. I'm saying disprove the consensus, or prove your theory. 

 

There are reams of proof, centuries of experimentation and records supporting the status quo. And that proof, those experiments and those recored are scrutinised and challenged by enquiring minds.

 

You don't even have the theory fully worked out in your own mind.

 

You believe the earth is a dome, travel to the edge and prove it.

You believe the sum goes up and down, prove it.

You believe we're being pushed down by denpressure, prove it.

[Meenzer 15518]

4 minutes ago, wolfy said:

So what exactly are you looking for that pertains to this?

 

Increasingly convinced that wolfy is actually Eliza. It would make a lot of sense.

[wolfy 12]

4 minutes ago, Park Life said:

That you've found a new angle in something we haven't considered and not just the retread of the old flat earth nonsense with the 'cell' variation.

Lots of stuff but I'll leave those for another time.

[wolfy 12]

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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No, not at all. I'm saying disprove the consensus, or prove your theory. 

I can equally say that about the official line.

 

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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There are reams of proof, centuries of experimentation and records supporting the status quo. And that proof, those experiments and those recored are scrutinised and challenged by enquiring minds.

No problem. Show me some physical proofs that you know guarantee what we've been officially told about what we are talking about.

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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You don't even have the theory fully worked out in your own mind.

Agreed.

I'm one person putting together a very large jigsaw, piece by piece.

I don't profess to have all the answers but equally I also will not accept that mainstream science does, so at the very least I'll counteract it, whether it's deemed right or wrong by people who just simply tell me what I'm supposed to basically follow, which is what mainstream official science is pushing.

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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You believe the earth is a dome, travel to the edge and prove it.

There is no edge. It's a dome on a foundation of denser ice and denser mass of Earth it stands upon.

To go towards it would shut down any organism due to lack of agitated atmosphere, due to the suns energy from the centre not reaching out that far. Hence the frozen dome.

You've seen what liquid nitrogen can do to metals and such. Imagine what it would be like as you ventured outwards of the circle.

Not to mention you would be elevating as you moved towards the outer as the dome builds from within.

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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You believe the sum goes up and down, prove it.

Just look outside and you'll see it quite clearly if you can cast aside the global mindset.

5 minutes ago, The Fish said:

You believe we're being pushed down by denpressure, prove it.

We are being squeezed by it.

Place a window clamp to a window and ask yourself why that clamp stays on the window.

 

[Rayvin 5217]

Honestly, at this point based on how the conversation has progressed, you'd have to conclude that wolfy either has a vested emotional interest in believing this stuff, in much the same way that religious people do about what they believe, and that he will stick to it in the face of all evidence to the contrary... or that he's winding us up.

 

Seems a smart enough guy to be able to see how irrational his position is, so I don't believe the problem is that we simply haven't presented the right counter information.

 

Obviously you can never be 100% sure of anything, but the only way I see wolfy's theory stacking up is if there is a grand conspiracy at play that is literally able to manifest a reality that doesn't exist - and which, when tested by us, returns results which support the presentation of this reality. It's just so unlikely.

 

Just on the sun thing, just for the hell of it - when I flew to from China to the UK a few years back, I remember setting off around lunchtime, and arriving in the UK 11 hours later, at what would be 11pm and dark in China. In the UK, it was 3pm and still daylight. How would that work? 11 hours definitely passed, as my watch was still on Chinese time. I remember this vividly because I was tired as fuck and still had an entire afternoon to get through before bed.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Rayvin

[The Fish 10856]

3 minutes ago, wolfy said:

I can equally say that about the official line.

No you can't as they have proof, both physical and mathematical

 

3 minutes ago, wolfy said:

 

No problem. Show me some physical proofs that you know guarantee what we've been officially told about what we are talking about.

Literally thousands of videos on youtube showing experiments you can do in your own home to prove it.

3 minutes ago, wolfy said:

 

Agreed.

I'm one person putting together a very large jigsaw, piece by piece.

I don't profess to have all the answers but equally I also will not accept that mainstream science does, so at the very least I'll counteract it, whether it's deemed right or wrong by people who just simply tell me what I'm supposed to basically follow, which is what mainstream official science is pushing.

 

Why don't you accept what has been proven and scrutinised for centuries, ahead of theories you're literally making up?

 

3 minutes ago, wolfy said:

There is no edge. It's a dome on a foundation of denser ice and denser mass of Earth it stands upon.

To go towards it would shut down any organism due to lack of agitated atmosphere, due to the suns energy from the centre not reaching out that far. Hence the frozen dome.

You've seen what liquid nitrogen can do to metals and such. Imagine what it would be like as you ventured outwards of the circle.

Not to mention you would be elevating as you moved towards the outer as the dome builds from within.

Hang on, how close to this denser ice can one get? And were I to venture in that direction I would be able to measure the drop in temperature, the increasing density of the earth it stands upon? Right?

3 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Just look outside and you'll see it quite clearly if you can cast aside the global mindset.

No, I see it arc across the sky, I see it's path change depending on the time of year and so on.

 

 

3 minutes ago, wolfy said:

We are being squeezed by it.

Place a window clamp to a window and ask yourself why that clamp stays on the window.

 

Prove we're being squeezed by it.

[Park Life 71]

We've lost Rayvin.

[Rayvin 5217]

1 minute ago, Park Life said:

We've lost Rayvin.

 

Huh? You mean we've lost the argument or you've lost me?

 

If the latter, you're right but only by virtue of self-fulfilling prophecy

[Park Life 71]

God is love.

[Meenzer 15518]

3 minutes ago, Park Life said:

God is love.

 

Sanjaya is love.

[Rayvin 5217]

Definitely lost now.

[Park Life 71]

16 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

Sanjaya is love.

More Henna!!

[Alex 35077]

34 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Honestly, at this point based on how the conversation has progressed, you'd have to conclude that wolfy either has a vested emotional interest in believing this stuff, in much the same way that religious people do about what they believe, and that he will stick to it in the face of all evidence to the contrary... or that he's winding us up.

 

 

Bit tragic either way like

[wolfy 12]

34 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

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Honestly, at this point based on how the conversation has progressed, you'd have to conclude that wolfy either has a vested emotional interest in believing this stuff, in much the same way that religious people do about what they believe, and that he will stick to it in the face of all evidence to the contrary... or that he's winding us up.

I've got no reason to wind anyone up on an internet forum.

34 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

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Seems a smart enough guy to be able to see how irrational his position is, so I don't believe the problem is that we simply haven't presented the right counter information.

hat depends on what you believe is rational and irrational.

You think a space sun and a spinning globe that we walk about on is rational?

Of course you will do but why?

What I'm saying may be irrational to people but so is lots of stuff if people have a mindset to dismiss it in favour of another.

We all have choices and we all see good bad and indifferent in everything, including theories.

34 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

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Obviously you can never be 100% sure of anything, but the only way I see wolfy's theory stacking up is if there is a grand conspiracy at play that is literally able to manifest a reality that doesn't exist - and which, when tested by us, returns results which support the presentation of this reality. It's just so unlikely.

Most people genuinely have no clue what's what. Most people just go with the flow for no real reason otehr than to simply follow mass opinion.

We all do it in all walks of life.

34 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Just on the sun thing, just for the hell of it - when I flew to from China to the UK a few years back, I remember setting off around lunchtime, and arriving in the UK 11 hours later, at what would be 11pm and dark in China. In the UK, it was 3pm and still daylight. How would that work? 11 hours definitely passed, as my watch was still on Chinese time. I remember this vividly because I was tired as fuck and still had an entire afternoon to get through before bed.

If you are moving over Earth then you will eventually move in or out of visible light, especially if you're in a plane, because you observe light much clearer from higher up due to less dense atmosphere.

[Meenzer 15518]

The Canary Islands have a bigger population than Slovenia. Explain that.

[Rayvin 5217]

8 minutes ago, wolfy said:

 

If you are moving over Earth then you will eventually move in or out of visible light, especially if you're in a plane, because you observe light much clearer from higher up due to less dense atmosphere.

 

This doesn't make sense to me, can you elaborate?

[wolfy 12]

40 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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No you can't as they have proof, both physical and mathematical

What proof do they have?

40 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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Literally thousands of videos on youtube showing experiments you can do in your own home to prove it.

 

Why don't you accept what has been proven and scrutinised for centuries, ahead of theories you're literally making up?

What experiments are these that p[rove what you're saying?

40 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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Hang on, how close to this denser ice can one get? And were I to venture in that direction I would be able to measure the drop in temperature, the increasing density of the earth it stands upon? Right?

I don't know how close, I haven't been towards it to know how close we can get.

And yes you would be able to measure a drop in temperature if you ventured towards it.

The issue is in actually doing that.

40 minutes ago, The Fish said:

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No, I see it arc across the sky, I see it's path change depending on the time of year and so on.

You see a movement under a dome, either higher or lower.

40 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Prove we're being squeezed by it.

Blow up a balloon.

Place a balloon under water and push it down.

Lots of things show us we are being squeezed.

Breathe in and ask yourself how you can't hold your breath.

Lack of oxygen or expansion of your chest against atmospheric squeeze back.

Every action produces an equal and opposite reaction.

 

[wolfy 12]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

This doesn't make sense to me, can you elaborate?

Basically if something is in the distance and you cannot see it from sea level, then climbing a height will bring it into focus due to less dense atmosphere allowing you to get that object reflected light to your eyes.

The sun is no different.

Brian Cox messed up when he took a ride is a jet and commented on the jet catching up with the Earth's supposed rotation and actually stopping the sun in it's tracks due to this supposed 650 mph flight supposedly rendering the Earth spin as stationary to the pilot and him.

And yet we are told that the Atmosphere drags everything along.

 

All Cox had done was actually catch up to the suns movement over the Earth and followed it at a precise movement.

What does this tell us?

 

At best...assuming the 650 mph jet speed was legit, then it shows us that the sun is inside Earth and also moving at 650 mph over it.

 

[The Fish 10856]

11 minutes ago, wolfy said:

What proof do they have?

well, no proof that you'll accept, but proof that has been scrutinised, challenged, picked apart and put back together for centuries by the greatest minds. Obviously you know better than Newton, Archimedes, Galileo and so on 

 

Then of course there are the brave men and women who have ventured into space and seen with their own eyes the globe, and of course the brave men and women who've flown at the reaches of our atmosphere who can see the curvature of the planet too... but they're all in on it, right?

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What experiments are these that p[rove what you're saying?

I'm not listing them all. You are connected to the internet, google it fucker.

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I don't know how close, I haven't been towards it to know how close we can get.

And yes you would be able to measure a drop in temperature if you ventured towards it.

The issue is in actually doing that.

Why is that an issue? If you believe it, do it. You needn't reach the edge, just prove there is a measurable change in temperature and density that isn't explained by the current model.

 

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You see a movement under a dome, either higher or lower.

No I don't. I see a sun passing from east to west, over my head. If the sun was central it would rise and fall on the same horizon. It doesn't.

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Blow up a balloon.

Place a balloon under water and push it down.

Lots of things show us we are being squeezed.

Breathe in and ask yourself how you can't hold your breath.

Lack of oxygen or expansion of your chest against atmospheric squeeze back.

Every action produces an equal and opposite reaction.

 

 

That's explained by the current model, and you've shown nothing that proves it's denpressure.

Edited May 18, 2017 by The Fish