Meenzer 15432 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 The crew are plummeting to their deaths, duh. That's why you'd never catch wolfy being dumb enough to get on board the HMS Empirical Evidence, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, wolfy said: I don't recall saying you did. I was the one mentioning that it must work like that, if you go by that. "You mention the Earth being a north and south pole magnet," Lying lies lied by the liar Put simply; moving objects want to move in a straight line, Earth's gravity (and the moon's) pull the moon away from that straight course. Pretty simple stuff Wolfy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: Quote If we sent you up into space, and you were able to look at the earth, would you believe it then? 100%. If that was possible, then I would never question anything again. The real question is....are you able to? 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: Quote As another question, what would it do to your worldview if you were given incontrovertible proof of the earth being a sphere? It would totally change my view. The question is, is there that PHYSICAL proof? The answer is NO. 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: Quote To answer the same question from the other side, if I was given absolute proof that the earth was flat, it would probably cave in all remaining trust (little as it is) that I have in any information given to us in society. Principally because for such a secret to have been kept, you would need an entire class of people living separate from the rest of us. There could well be a class of people living separately away from us. I actually can't say one way or the other but I certainly wouldn't rule anything out. We are only told Earth is a ball and shown stitched together pictures of a supposed ball. The reality could well be massively different. All I say to people is, question stuff. Do it for your own leisure, just to see if things add up or not in terms of logic. Nobody needs to shout it from the roof tops, but just merely looking into stuff a little bit deeper can show up lots of stuff that beg questions. Like I said before...it's entirely up to the individual and generally peer pressure in life usually stops most of us from daring to venture outside of the box we've been given to dwell inside of. 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: No one from our 'group' could ever be allowed to reach a position where they could independently verify this for themselves or the secret would be out. It would actually be a Matrix style reckoning. I consider it absolutely implausible that none of the people who are in positions where they are able to verify whether or not the earth is a sphere would not have shared this, so it would have to be an international conspiracy aimed at maintaining a divide between two class groups. When you actually take a look around you and see the people in Government and MP's, doesn't it cross your mind that these people are only potential puppets for a bigger agenda? I don't want to argue politics I'm basically just saying that these people are just following a protocol in reality. The whole shebang is compartmentalised. Peter doesn't know what Paul is doing, etc. Let's be fair. Why argue something like Earth? Why argue moon stuff? Why argue mars stuff or pluto fly by jobs. Why even argue politics or even currency? We do it because we have questions. Some have simple questions and others have more in depth. As long as the questions are deemed easy going and legitimate about normal acts in everyday life, then everything is fine. Go against official lines and the shutters go up and the official ridicule comes out. This is what happens when you ask the wrong questions. I can only best guess a lot of stuff, yet I can honestly say that we are being duped about what Earth is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Alex said: When a ship disappears over the horizon, explain what's happening there. It doesn't disappear over the horizon. It vanishes into the distance because our vision can only see so far before atmospheric density shuts out light over distance horizontally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3859 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, wolfy said: It doesn't disappear over the horizon. It vanishes into the distance because our vision can only see so far before atmospheric density shuts out light over distance horizontally. How far away are the stars and how big are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, wolfy said: It doesn't disappear over the horizon. It does, I've actually seen it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 hours ago, The Fish said: "You mention the Earth being a north and south pole magnet," Lying lies lied by the liar Put simply; moving objects want to move in a straight line, Earth's gravity (and the moon's) pull the moon away from that straight course. Pretty simple stuff Wolfy. Of course it's pretty simple stuff. You've been told it does this. Simple as. What is the physical reality. The star ship enterprise is a big ship going from planet to planet and through star gates, etc. Pretty simple stuff to understand but what is it we are understanding? You mention pull of the moon with tides and yet the moon is supposedly not only 1/6th of Earth's gravity, being apparently 4 times smaller, it also manages to affect all tides around the supposed globe at once. How? Or are you going to bring the massive ball of fire into the equation for the other tides on the other part of the globe? What about this equatorial bulge? What happens there with this moon pull? We're supposed to believe that the Earth has the moon on a piece of invisible wire stopping it from launching into supposed space. Orbits go totally against logic when looking at a ball. Has anyone wondered why the moon only shows us one face all the time? I'm sure some have had some explanation as to why. If you haven't then look it up. Is it possible that the moon in that sky in something other than a solid body of a sphere? I know, I understand many will cite the moon landings of the late 60's to early 70's. Sending 3000 ton manned rockets into space and on to the moon and back. THREE THOUSAND TONNES. Anyway that's a separate debate. All I'm saying is for people to actually question stuff for themselves if interested. If not then nothing lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: How far away are the stars and how big are they? I don't believe in stars as we are told in them being large suns and their distances. What they are, are reflections of whatever is inside of this Earth centre. That's just my personal opinion and I'm not asking anyone to follow it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 How come I could observe the top half of a ship when I couldn't see the bottom half (which had disappeared over the horizon)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3859 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, wolfy said: I don't believe in stars as we are told in them being large suns and their distances. What they are, are reflections of whatever is inside of this Earth centre. That's just my personal opinion and I'm not asking anyone to follow it. This earth centre, like down in the middle of the flat earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alex said: It does, I've actually seen it happen. Can you explain what you saw and how it happened? Did the ship just disappear or did it start to vanish from hull to mast? Was it viewed from it's port or starboard sides or stern? Also how many miles approximately was it away from you and what was the weather like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: This earth centre, like down in the middle of the flat earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alex said: How come I could observe the top half of a ship when I couldn't see the bottom half (which had disappeared over the horizon)? Because you lose light to your eye bottom up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alex said: Edited May 17, 2017 by wolfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, wolfy said: Because you lose light to your eye bottom up. I was doing a handstand though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Alex said: I was doing a handstand though Anything for science innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: This earth centre, like down in the middle of the flat earth? Most probably, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Alex said: I was doing a handstand though Same thing. You simply see it upside down but still lose the light from the bottom of the water, up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 minute ago, wolfy said: Same thing. You simply see it upside down but still lose the light from the bottom of the water, up. So why does the water appear to be halfway up the ship then? Instead of half a ship floating in mid air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think you don't understand the basics of denpressure (c) Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alex said: So why does the water appear to be halfway up the ship then? Instead of half a ship floating in mid air? It depends on the actual weather which determines whether your ship actually loses light and appears to sink or appears to rise and float. It's all down to how the atmosphere deals with the light which you observe. And no, I don't expect you to believe me. Try stuff out for yourself to satisfy yourself one way or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, wolfy said: It depends on the actual weather which determines whether your ship actually loses light and appears to sink or appears to rise and float. It's all down to how the atmosphere deals with the light which you observe. And no, I don't expect you to believe me. Try stuff out for yourself to satisfy yourself one way or the other. Well I probably wouldn't have believed you if you'd provided an explanation but by not doing so you've pretty much sealed the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3859 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, wolfy said: Most probably, yes. So the stars are reflections of something under the earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 5186 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Ok but... Wolfy, you're now saying something that we can see with our own eyes isn't real and is a distortion of the light as it hits our eyes. That's a level up from 'everyone is lying to us' - you're now saying we can't even trust our own senses. On that basis, surely if you did go to space, and did observe the earth as a sphere, couldn't you just argue that it remained a trick of the light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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