Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: bollocks. there is no moral equivalency. you're comparing fascists and anti fascists. there is a reason why we went to war with them. We went to war with them because they were a threat to our empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21564 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 and western civilisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Do they get them in the US though? Fish might have a point if the US cracks down on them but not on Nazis. I know that the UK was comfortable with Abu Hamza for a lengthy period of time before he was finally deported but I'm not sure what the lay of the land is these days. The Kurds did a demo here recently and most of it was about their hatred for Turkey/Turks. Should that have been banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21564 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 even most republicans agree trump has lost the plot on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: and western civilisation You can't pick and choose. You will be the arbiter the state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Fish 10543 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Park Life said: The Kurds did a demo here recently and most of it was about their hatred for Turkey/Turks. Should that have been banned? Was it inciting violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, The Fish said: Was it inciting violence? They fight every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5131 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Park Life said: The Kurds did a demo here recently and most of it was about their hatred for Turkey/Turks. Should that have been banned? According to Fish, yes. In fact, if I supported the Fish's view here, it would take care of the Antifa problem too. They'd be banned for hate speech and incitement to violence also. I agree that it wouldn't solve anything though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21564 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: You can't pick and choose. You will be the arbiter the state? the nazis - and fascism as an ideology, more broadly - is a threat to western civilisation. that's why we shut it down in the 40s. it's 2017 and the president of the US is emboldening these people. do you not find that troubling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: According to Fish, yes. In fact, if I supported the Fish's view here, it would take care of the Antifa problem too. They'd be banned for hate speech and incitement to violence also. I agree that it wouldn't solve anything though. It's a slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10543 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Park Life said: They fight every weekend. Was the protest inciting violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21564 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 rumours are bannon could face the fall for trump's latest bout of insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: the nazis - and fascism as an ideology, more broadly - is a threat to western civilisation. that's why we shut it down in the 40s. it's 2017 and the president of the US is emboldening these people. do you not find that troubling? I find more troubling that America continues to threaten multiple countries around the world with war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5131 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: It's a slippery slope. They're closing down free speech anyway man, if it saves a few lives to do it sooner rather than later then maybe we should just get it over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21564 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: I find more troubling that America continues to threaten multiple countries around the world with war. ...and that's even without hillary doubling down on syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Fish said: Was the protest inciting violence? Of course. Singling out a particular race or nation is hate speech isn't it? Edited August 16, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: They're closing down free speech anyway man, if it saves a few lives to do it sooner rather than later then maybe we should just get it over with. It will live on in TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Few hundred Nazis turned up at the London demo and 500/600 in Virginia. The numbers are so small its ineffectual. Turning it into a big fight just makes their cause look more real. Better to turn up chat to them and hand out soft drinks. Edited August 16, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5131 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 We need rid of all supremacist ideologies full stop. Including patriotism, I would argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10543 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Park Life said: Of course. Singling out a particular race or nation is hate speech isn't it? If they did that, then yes it shouldn't have been permitted. Inciting violence is counterproductive to debate and discussion and those intent on inciting violence shouldn't be allowed a platform. The march of angry white men shouting their bigotry should have been better policed, and the minute some nazi threw up the nazi salute it should have been shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15196 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Park Life said: Few hundred Nazis turned up at the London demo and 500/600 in Virginia. The numbers are so small its ineffectual. Turning it into a big fight just makes their cause look more real. Better to turn up chat to them and hand out soft drinks. After you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21564 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 sounds like a belter way to spend a saturday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10543 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Park Life said: Few hundred Nazis turned up at the London demo and 500/600 in Virginia. The numbers are so small its ineffectual. Turning it into a big fight just makes their cause look more real. Better to turn up chat to them and hand out soft drinks. Nice idea, but you know full well that calmly debating with furious bigots solves nothing. They shout their hatred over your calm questions, leave claiming a victory to their fans and swelling their numbers. If a man throws up the nazi salute, he deserves a punch in the face, that's just science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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