SJW Snowflakes

[Dr Gloom 22503]

 

[Dr Gloom 22503]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

You know what, fuck it - I've had enough of this now

 

Trump bad. Nazis bad. Antifa good. World is simple. There are no shades of grey. Everything is entirely as the media presents it to be.

 

Is there some sand around to stick my head in?

 

i genuinely think you mean well, but in your attempt to bypass the MSM and read a wide range of sources, you're clearly being influenced by some internet wronguns, like sargon of his heavy metal collection

[Dr Gloom 22503]

worth a watch 

 

 

[Rayvin 5554]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

i genuinely think you mean well, but in your attempt to bypass the MSM and read a wide range of sources, you're clearly being influenced by some internet wronguns, like sargon of his heavy metal collection

 

Well, thanks for the vote of confidence in my intentions. I read as broad and varied a range of media as is possible. I read the Guardian literally every day. I digest more left wing news than right wing - my views are all left wing politically as I think is very well known on here.

 

I don't believe there's an Islamic invasion of Europe going on, I don't believe there is any actual attempt at white genocide, I don't believe much of what I digest from Sargon et al at all, really. What I do see though, is that many people do believe this, and that the reason they do is because it's so easy to point to examples in the left that rather clearly demonstrate a contempt for white men. This is one of the reasons I believe we have Trump in the first place. The number of people who believe this stuff is growing, and yes, that's not the left fault's directly - but indirectly, we need a message for disaffected white working class men that isn't "you're the problem here". That's never going to win them over. And that is absolutely what our message is.

 

I suppose it's beyond naive to hope that we can just try to work through everyone's insecurities with a rational and honest discussion, but that's what I'd do if I was in a position to influence it, and that's all I really believe in.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4063]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

Well, thanks for the vote of confidence in my intentions. I read as broad and varied a range of media as is possible. I read the Guardian literally every day. I digest more left wing news than right wing - my views are all left wing politically as I think is very well known on here.

 

I don't believe there's an Islamic invasion of Europe going on, I don't believe there is any actual attempt at white genocide, I don't believe much of what I digest from Sargon et al at all, really. What I do see though, is that many people do believe this, and that the reason they do is because it's so easy to point to examples in the left that rather clearly demonstrate a contempt for white men. This is one of the reasons I believe we have Trump in the first place. The number of people who believe this stuff is growing, and yes, that's not the left fault's directly - but indirectly, we need a message for disaffected white working class men that isn't "you're the problem here". That's never going to win them over. And that is absolutely what our message is.

 

I suppose it's beyond naive to hope that we can just try to work through everyone's insecurities with a rational and honest discussion, but that's what I'd do if I was in a position to influence it, and that's all I really believe in.

 

 

I'm not racist or misogynistic I am just scared that white men are under attack from darkies and wimmin

Edited August 16, 2017 by Kevin Carr's Gloves

[Meenzer 15831]

If your response to being disaffected is to support a racist, perhaps you are the problem.

[Rayvin 5554]

Just now, Meenzer said:

If your response to being disaffected is to support a racist, perhaps you are the problem.

 

Indeed. That's not a solution though, that's just a statement. Insecure, emotionally weak and threatened people the world over are a problem. Now that we've said that, what do we do about it? Surely continuing to isolate and castigate them isn't a useful answer?

[Meenzer 15831]

Part of the problem is a poisonous culture that continually tells us we need more stuff, that other people have more and better stuff than us, that we deserve the stuff and they don't, that we're missing out on ALL THE STUFF. When in fact even the badly-off are, for the most part, better off than they have been at any time in history. But nobody who's at the bottom of the pile wants to be told "it's a good pile, Brent". That's totally understandable.

[Rayvin 5554]

1 minute ago, Meenzer said:

Part of the problem is a poisonous culture that continually tells us we need more stuff, that other people have more and better stuff than us, that we deserve the stuff and they don't, that we're missing out on ALL THE STUFF. When in fact even the badly-off are, for the most part, better off than they have been at any time in history. But nobody who's at the bottom of the pile wants to be told "it's a good pile, Brent". That's totally understandable.

 

Yeah that's true, and a good argument against extremism in general. That's where the toxicity of the right wing commentators and so on comes into its own.

 

I also think mental health and wellbeing is a significant factor. And that greater integration into culturally diversity would be beneficial on all sides. It is what it is though, and we have to tackle it.

[Dr Gloom 22503]

33 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

 

 

You do know that Antifa isn't an actual group right, it's just an umbrella name for a group of groups. They aren't like the KKK or the nazi party of America. Also tell me again, where were the groups of armed left wing Militia when all this was happening? Or did the left wing MSM just forget to mention them. Just so you know I think you're a not very closeted racist misogynist cunt.

 

i don't think rayvin is a racist or misogynist, he just reads a lot of content by such people. 

 

your point about anitfa v the neo nazis is spot on. 

[Rayvin 5554]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i don't think rayvin is a racist or misogynist, he just reads a lot of content by such people. 

 

your point about anitfa v the neo nazis is spot on. 

 

Thanks for this, although his post didn't really trouble me. I know my views and I know where they come from. In this, I know I'm neither of those things. Beyond putting KCG on ignore, I didn't feel a need to respond.

 

I suppose I'm not getting the tone right here generally. I'm very aware of insecurity as being a motivator to believe in/act out against all manner of things, and there is just such tribalistic hatred on both sides of the spectrum now that it's pushing people to extremes. It's as if the SJWs and the Alt Right look at each other in the way Newcastle and Sunderland supporters view each other (amongst those who lack any real emotional maturity).

 

My experiences of viewing this will look alien to people who haven't 'seen what I've seen', I guess. And equally, I'm probably colouring the whole issue too much based on my anecdotally witnessed social/alternative media experience.

 

I don't think I'm being influenced by any right wing commentators. I seriously don't - I keep an eye on them to see which way the wind is blowing in the mindsets of the activist right. But I might be overstating the significance of what is happening in and around them and applying it to real world events more so than is warranted. Thus, when I blame the left for being complicit in thrusting people into the arms, it's based on the fact that the right winger commentators swarm around this stuff and you can see them using it to further poison the minds of their following. But I can't turn around and say that they're lying, because someone on the left actually said this stuff. It's depressing.

[Dr Gloom 22503]

SJWs, as you call them, don't turn people into nazis. it takes a certain type turn to the far right - most nazis are brainwashed psychopaths.  

Edited August 16, 2017 by Dr Gloom

[The Fish 11064]

48 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

worth a watch 

 

 

That's absolutely floored me. I don't care if the Antifa turn up with sticks, the nazis are turning with AK47s and a yearning for bloodshed. The longer Trump is in power the bolder these groups will become and the more innocent lives will be lost. Saying that the Antifa are violent too is like blaming a rape victim for wearing a low cut top.

[Dr Gloom 22503]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/opinion/jewish-charlottesville-anti-semitism.html

[Rayvin 5554]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

That's absolutely floored me. I don't care if the Antifa turn up with sticks, the nazis are turning with AK47s and a yearning for bloodshed. The longer Trump is in power the bolder these groups will become and the more innocent lives will be lost. Saying that the Antifa are violent too is like blaming a rape victim for wearing a low cut top.

 

I feel compelled to point out that Antifa have been conducting armed protests as well... maybe not this time, but there's plenty of photos of them doing it. They're actively seeking and working on combat training.

[Dr Gloom 22503]

even tory arseholes are getting this right

 

 

[The Fish 11064]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

I feel compelled to point out that Antifa have been conducting armed protests as well... maybe not this time, but there's plenty of photos of them doing it. They're actively seeking and working on combat training.

 

If Altrincham had a burgeoning fascist mob, I'd learn how to defend myself too. I get that you're trying to walk an objective path, but I cannot be that objective when they're brandishing swastikas, sieg heiling, and calling for the deaths of innocents. The Antifa are no doubt looking for trouble, but they're picking fights with nazis, I'm totally ok with that. They're not driving cars into protests. The nazis in Charlottesville were allegedly discussing burning a synagogue (and I can't imagine you'd think that would be a stretch), would you expect the Antifa to look to burn down a church? 

 

We should absolutely seek to stop the radicalisation of young men, in all social spheres, but we shouldn't meet grown men toting  AK47s and screaming "blood and soil" with meekness.

[NJS 4446]

I've mentioned before that one of the things that makes me proud of my hometown (not many things do really) is my parents telling me of remembering and them being told about when Moseley supporters marched there in the 30s and "decent" people led by the unions got together and kicked the living shit out of them.

 

I've always argued for a two pronged response to fascists - words and violence.

 

 

[Dr Gloom 22503]

 

[Park Life 71]

[Rayvin 5554]

3 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

If Altrincham had a burgeoning fascist mob, I'd learn how to defend myself too. I get that you're trying to walk an objective path, but I cannot be that objective when they're brandishing swastikas, sieg heiling, and calling for the deaths of innocents. The Antifa are no doubt looking for trouble, but they're picking fights with nazis, I'm totally ok with that. They're not driving cars into protests. The nazis in Charlottesville were allegedly discussing burning a synagogue (and I can't imagine you'd think that would be a stretch), would you expect the Antifa to look to burn down a church? 

 

We should absolutely seek to stop the radicalisation of young men, in all social spheres, but we shouldn't meet grown men toting  AK47s and screaming "blood and soil" with meekness.

 

Aren't you worried that people will die? When they start shooting each other? The police in the crossfire, innocent civilians? They're doing this in public places - they're effectively letting two stateless armies fight it out in the streets.

 

I don't think it'll be civil war. I think they'll get one big battle where we end up with a heavy number of pointless casualties and then we'll all wake the fuck up. The US will forcibly disband both sides and put them all on watch lists - the right and left wing rhetoric spinners will take a conciliatory approach to coverage and we'll all call for compassion, understanding and unity. Standard human practice. Totally fail to deal with a problem until some significant killing has taken place, and then act like we'll learn lessons from it.

 

Having said all of this - yes, it's utterly repellant that you have armed thugs threatening synagogues and anyone else in their path as part of a resurgence of one of the most appalling ideologies in the modern era. Why the US constitution seems to allow for such things is absolutely beyond me.

[Park Life 71]

1 hour ago, Meenzer said:

If your response to being disaffected is to support a racist, perhaps you are the problem.

Hyperbole.

[The Fish 11064]

2 minutes ago, Park Life said:

Would you bring that to a car fight?

[Dr Gloom 22503]

3 minutes ago, Park Life said:

 

 

i knew it wouldn't be long before the board's biggest nazi sympathiser and trump supporter showed his face 

[Park Life 71]

44 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

SJWs, as you call them, don't turn people into nazis. it takes a certain type turn to the far right - most nazis are brainwashed psychopaths.  

There was only about 500 proper Nazi's there. Although certainly reprehensible beasts they have as much right to demonstrate as anyone else. Otherwise you drive the debate underground and things get much worse. The ACLU fought in court for them to be able to demonstrate btw. The main problem IMO is that the police were hands off and should have been more proactive.