SJW Snowflakes

[Park Life 71]

I hadn't realised that S Carolina had 'open carry'. Goons with M16's should be nowhere near demonstrations. When the ex-Mrs P did her pro bono work there on death row she came back shell shocked. Probably the most racist state in America.

[Rayvin 5223]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

virtue signalling  - wasn't that in renton's rayvin bingo post along with SJW, alt-right etc? 

 

I'm not sure he had that one actually.

 

To be honest, I'm making a solid drive for 'most tedious poster' based on how this thread is going. Might even edge out Wolfy at this rate.

[ewerk 30645]

You could always just admit that you're wrong?

[The Fish 10866]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

My position is about finding a solution aside from virtue signalling and grandstanding. It's a lost cause tbf, so I may as well just fall into line. What concerns me, given how much time I've spent listening to and reading about these 'far right' and 'far left' people in an online setting, is that we're now starting to see a physical manifestation of what is ultimately quite a significant movement online. There are a lot of people online for whom it would only take a small push to send them into Nazism generally. A lot. They might not be out on the streets, but they'll vote that way when it matters. There's a hearts and minds battle to be fought here that no one gives a flying fuck about. And given how frequently we've been blindsided politically by 'not giving a flying fuck about' such people, I am wary.

 

Please note, I'm not talking about a hearts and minds battle for Nazis. I'm talking about it for the people they're starting to pull over. 'Unite the Right' is a chilling thing to call this march, against this backdrop.

 

 

I think a big problem is that the social media arm of the far right, or the alt-right or whatever they're calling themselves now, is that it appears so many hold these opinions as an online hobby. It's a game where the intent isn't to spread the word, it's to see if they can offend someone, see if they can get a reaction from someone. Hence the labels and catchphrases like SJW, Snowflake, Virtue Signalling, and so on. They're simple, easily repeated and memetic. 

 

Seeing such a movement online the real fascists are emboldened and it's them that take to the streets wearing kevlar, webbing and brandishing automatic rifles. 

 

In this, you're right, there needs to be a carrot to lure the kids away from being dicks online, but I think there also needs to be a big fucking stick for the actual fascists who Sieg Heil their way down main streets expecting the common people to march beside them because a tweet they put out calling some media person a Cuck got shared and liked a thousand times. A fascist who is convinced that shooting up a Mosque will get him hero status and not a lifetime behind bars.

 

Just like we need to drag disenfranchised young men away from radicalisation into a death cult, we need to drag disenfranchised young men away from radicalisation into a murder cult.

[Park Life 71]

3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm not sure he had that one actually.

 

To be honest, I'm making a solid drive for 'most tedious poster' based on how this thread is going. Might even edge out Wolfy at this rate.

You've stepped out of your Corby comfort zone which is winding them up.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Park Life

[Park Life 71]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

 

 

I think a big problem is that the social media arm of the far right, or the alt-right or whatever they're calling themselves now, is that it appears so many hold these opinions as an online hobby. It's a game where the intent isn't to spread the word, it's to see if they can offend someone, see if they can get a reaction from someone. Hence the labels and catchphrases like SJW, Snowflake, Virtue Signalling, and so on. They're simple, easily repeated and memetic. 

 

Seeing such a movement online the real fascists are emboldened and it's them that take to the streets wearing kevlar, webbing and brandishing automatic rifles. 

 

In this, you're right, there needs to be a carrot to lure the kids away from being dicks online, but I think there also needs to be a big fucking stick for the actual fascists who Sieg Heil their way down main streets expecting the common people to march beside them because a tweet they put out calling some media person a Cuck got shared and liked a thousand times. A fascist who is convinced that shooting up a Mosque will get him hero status and not a lifetime behind bars.

 

Just like we need to drag disenfranchised young men away from radicalisation into a death cult, we need to drag disenfranchised young men away from radicalisation into a murder cult.

The media are trying to throw the alt-right in with what are clearly proper Nazi's. /CNN101

[Rayvin 5223]

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 

I think a big problem is that the social media arm of the far right, or the alt-right or whatever they're calling themselves now, is that it appears so many hold these opinions as an online hobby. It's a game where the intent isn't to spread the word, it's to see if they can offend someone, see if they can get a reaction from someone. Hence the labels and catchphrases like SJW, Snowflake, Virtue Signalling, and so on. They're simple, easily repeated and memetic. 

 

Seeing such a movement online the real fascists are emboldened and it's them that take to the streets wearing kevlar, webbing and brandishing automatic rifles. 

 

In this, you're right, there needs to be a carrot to lure the kids away from being dicks online, but I think there also needs to be a big fucking stick for the actual fascists who Sieg Heil their way down main streets expecting the common people to march beside them because a tweet they put out calling some media person a Cuck got shared and liked a thousand times. A fascist who is convinced that shooting up a Mosque will get him hero status and not a lifetime behind bars.

 

Just like we need to drag disenfranchised young men away from radicalisation into a death cult, we need to drag disenfranchised young men away from radicalisation into a murder cult.

 

Agreed. But how do you do that while you've got the entire fucking left wing calling everyone you've just noted, a Nazi. Identity politics strikes again. You're either a left winger with good intentions, or you're a nazi. That's literally the level of dialogue going on now in these groups in the US.

 

Victim complexes and everything else follow naturally. I don't really care what we do with the real nazis tbh, but we're certainly losing out to the Alt Right on this evidence. This is a problem. Was this guy, who rammed his car into protesters, a life long Nazi? Or was he a recently converted Alt Righter? We'll find out I guess, but his mum sounded fucking horrified which leads me to think that he's a recent convert... radicalised online. Hence hearts and minds.

[The Fish 10866]

Just now, Park Life said:

The media are trying to throw the alt-right in with what are clearly proper Nazi's. /CNN101

 

Easier innit. 

 

The Friday night fascists online are kids, they haven't a clue as to the repercussions of their online actions. They see arseholes like this Baked Alaska (who I only heard about this weekend) as some kind of hilarious hero sticking it to the man.

 

But how do you separate them from the real fascists? Get him on tv and debate with him? That only fuels his self aggrandising campaign. Bring criminal charges against him? Win and you will make him a martyr, lose and it legitimises him. Same with a civil suit. 

 

I say, just punch him in his face. Do it, gif it, make him look weak and small and a pussy and a cuck and all those thing the children throw around until they lose interest in him. He's just a pussy that keeps getting punched out by the left.

[Park Life 71]

3 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Easier innit. 

 

The Friday night fascists online are kids, they haven't a clue as to the repercussions of their online actions. They see arseholes like this Baked Alaska (who I only heard about this weekend) as some kind of hilarious hero sticking it to the man.

 

But how do you separate them from the real fascists? Get him on tv and debate with him? That only fuels his self aggrandising campaign. Bring criminal charges against him? Win and you will make him a martyr, lose and it legitimises him. Same with a civil suit. 

 

I say, just punch him in his face. Do it, gif it, make him look weak and small and a pussy and a cuck and all those thing the children throw around until they lose interest in him. He's just a pussy that keeps getting punched out by the left.

I don't know man. America is full of mad people.

[The Fish 10866]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

Agreed. But how do you do that while you've got the entire fucking left wing calling everyone you've just noted, a Nazi. Identity politics strikes again. You're either a left winger with good intentions, or you're a nazi. That's literally the level of dialogue going on now in these groups in the US.

 

Victim complexes and everything else follow naturally. I don't really care what we do with the real nazis tbh, but we're certainly losing out to the Alt Right on this evidence. This is a problem. Was this guy, who rammed his car into protesters, a life long Nazi? Or was he a recently converted Alt Righter? We'll find out I guess, but his mum sounded fucking horrified which leads me to think that he's a recent convert... radicalised online. Hence hearts and minds.

 

 

If you want the kids on board, just give them Fidget Spinners for being left wing. Sorted

 

Trouble is Rayvin, if the Alt-right are saying fascist things, live-streaming themselves at fascist rallies, and defending actual Nazis, their quack sounds an awful lot like a big ol' fascist duck.

 

If their Country had a proper leader, a genuine statesman, I'd have faith in a hearts and minds approach. But Trump is incapable of accomplishing such things and is in fact inactively encouraging them.

 

Should he be impeached or forced to resign, or whatever, whoever inherits his mess has to make domestic policy a priority, imo.

[The Fish 10866]

5 minutes ago, Park Life said:

I don't know man. America is full of mad people.

 

Mad people who're stupid enough to be swayed into thinking a bankrupt-prone billionaire is a man of the people. 

 

This country of theirs is so easily swayed by soundbites I honestly think if a moronic Nascar driver ran for office with a decent speech writing team he could sweep many of the red states.

 

If a real life heavyweight Republican had run for office instead of the clown's parade we saw, their country wouldn't be half as divided as it is. Mad people or not.

[Rayvin 5223]

4 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Easier innit. 

 

The Friday night fascists online are kids, they haven't a clue as to the repercussions of their online actions. They see arseholes like this Baked Alaska (who I only heard about this weekend) as some kind of hilarious hero sticking it to the man.

 

But how do you separate them from the real fascists? Get him on tv and debate with him? That only fuels his self aggrandising campaign. Bring criminal charges against him? Win and you will make him a martyr, lose and it legitimises him. Same with a civil suit. 

 

I say, just punch him in his face. Do it, gif it, make him look weak and small and a pussy and a cuck and all those thing the children throw around until they lose interest in him. He's just a pussy that keeps getting punched out by the left.

 

The one time I saw Sargon debate someone, he struggled. I think that harmed his credibility with some of his following. Don't know why it wouldn't be the same for others.

 

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 

If you want the kids on board, just give them Fidget Spinners for being left wing. Sorted

 

Trouble is Rayvin, if the Alt-right are saying fascist things, live-streaming themselves at fascist rallies, and defending actual Nazis, their quack sounds an awful lot like a big ol' fascist duck.

 

If their Country had a proper leader, a genuine statesman, I'd have faith in a hearts and minds approach. But Trump is incapable of accomplishing such things and is in fact inactively encouraging them.

 

Should he be impeached or forced to resign, or whatever, whoever inherits his mess has to make domestic policy a priority, imo.

 

Trump could still be a huge saving grace for us on this. He's incompetent but he is what the nutjobs wanted. Assuming he doesn't trigger nuclear armageddon, my position will be that we lucked out with Trump. We could have had someone who courted these sort of sentiments, but who was actually effective. Now we'll get a massive left wing campaign to oust him in 4 years, that should settle the issue for another generation.

[ewerk 30645]

Trump is a big reason why these nazis are now brave enough to voice their views.

[Rayvin 5223]

Just now, ewerk said:

Trump is a big reason why these nazis are now brave enough to voice their views.

 

True... I would argue that they've decided that many more people agree with/have sympathies with them than they originally thought, because he was elected. Trump isn't the cause though.

 

 

[The Fish 10866]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

The one time I saw Sargon debate someone, he struggled. I think that harmed his credibility with some of his following. Don't know why it wouldn't be the same for others.

 

Because the alt-right are much better at spinning to their base than the rest are. You thought Sargon struggled, but I bet you the cult of identity quickly washed away such criticism, or he was quickly replaced by another troll who's just opened his Baby's First Bigot pack.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Trump could still be a huge saving grace for us on this. He's incompetent but he is what the nutjobs wanted. Assuming he doesn't trigger nuclear armageddon, my position will be that we lucked out with Trump. We could have had someone who courted these sort of sentiments, but who was actually effective. Now we'll get a massive left wing campaign to oust him in 4 years, that should settle the issue for another generation.

4 years is a long time when NK is posturing, the South is trying to rise again, where I'm hearing "14 words" way too much, when the economy is fucked and the world is expecting explosions from every brown lad with a beard and a backpack

[Rayvin 5223]

Just now, The Fish said:

 

Because the alt-right are much better at spinning to their base than the rest are. You thought Sargon struggled, but I bet you the cult of identity quickly washed away such criticism, or he was quickly replaced by another troll who's just opened his Baby's First Bigot pack.

 

 

4 years is a long time when NK is posturing, the South is trying to rise again, where I'm hearing "14 words" way too much, when the economy is fucked and the world is expecting explosions from every brown lad with a beard and a backpack

 

I don't think Sargon is a bigot, he's just misinformed about what the problems are and trying to rationalise his misinformation. Having said that, he received a lot of criticism in the comments under the video about that debate, and he was still man enough to put it up despite having lost. It's not all an echo chamber. Another case in point is his Corbyn stuff - he told people to vote Tory and received a rather furious backlash.

 

4 years might be a long time, but given that these sentiments weren't going to go away under Clinton, and that the West is in an existential crisis anyway (Neoliberalism, for those of you keep score in Renton's bingo) I honestly believe we would have been faced with something far worse in 4 years time had she won.

[Dr Gloom 21959]

sargon suffers from small willy syndrome, i reckon. either that, or he really struggles to get laid.

[Rayvin 5223]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

sargon suffers from small willy syndrome, i reckon. either that, or he really struggles to get laid.

 

As I've said before, he has a kid  So maybe the former.

 

Sargon is just a guy who fancies himself as a modern day philosopher and public intellectual. He gained credibility by pointing out inconsistencies in media narratives and thus developed a following of people who think he's the arbiter of truth. He's not - he's as partisan and one-sided as the other narratives, but he is at least an alternative angle.

[Ken 119]

13 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 4 years is a long time when NK is posturing, the South is trying to rise again, where I'm hearing "14 words" way too much, when the economy is fucked and the world is expecting explosions from every brown lad with a beard and a backpack

Rayvin has handled himself well. Kudos. Fish, you are are bullocks. What south is trying to rise again? If you are referring to America then you are a fool, a bigger fool than I thought you were.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Ken

[Dr Gloom 21959]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

As I've said before, he has a kid  So maybe the former.

 

Sargon is just a guy who fancies himself as a modern day philosopher and public intellectual. He gained credibility by pointing out inconsistencies in media narratives and thus developed a following of people who think he's the arbiter of truth. He's not - he's as partisan and one-sided as the other narratives, but he is at least an alternative angle.

 

the way he goes after feminists suggest to me that he's got issues with women. 

[The Fish 10866]

2 minutes ago, Ken said:

Rayvin has handled himself well. Kudos. Fish, you are are bullocks. What south is trying to rise again? If you are referring to America then you are a fool, a bigger fool than I thought you were.

I was being poetic.

 

But nice to see that you're drinking again.

[Ken 119]

Just now, The Fish said:

I was being poetic.

 

But nice to see that you're drinking again.

Poetic? Bless.

[Rayvin 5223]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

the way he goes after feminists suggest to me that he's got issues with women. 

 

He's more on Islam now than feminism tbh. I think his issue with feminism was to do with Anita Sarkeesian - and while he was proven right about her in the end, I think it toxified the debate.

 

Having said that feminism does not equal women. Criticising ideologies is fair game. We've done this bit before though...

[The Fish 10866]

Just now, Ken said:

Poetic? Bless.

Being a patronising cunt only works if the other person gives a toss about your opinion, Ken.

 

Now, trot on back to the winebox.

[Dr Gloom 21959]

isn't he against black lives matter too?