2017 GE 1

[Christmas Tree 4920]

Get yourself back to your hiding place fat boy.

 

I met your wet dream Rees Mogg today as it happens.

Always talks well. Not easily rattled.

 

I hope you tugged your forelock in such esteemed company.

[Dr Gloom 22518]

Always talks like lord snooty

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4073]

I have been informed Rees Mogg didn't graduate with a degree. Fucked if I can find proof either way though.

[Dr Gloom 22518]

He was actually quite charming, which is typical of his type. Amusing hearing him talk about his "housekeeper", cough, butler. Hideous views though.

[Tooj 17]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/04/uk_bulk_surveillance_powers_draft

 

Great bunch this lot.

[ewerk 31589]

This referendum isn't looking so bad for the Tories now. Looks like they've taken much of the UKIP vote and made big gains in local elections.

[Rayvin 5572]

Yep, they've obliterated UKIP by the looks of it. And probably Labour on this showing.

 

I dunno, if this many turkeys want Christmas, what can you say? As Gloom noted yesterday, TT simply isn't representative of the general population. I suspect the difference can be predominantly measured in IQ.

 

I wonder how bad things have to get before people would stop voting for the Tories...

[Rayvin 5572]

Point of reflection - if UKIP are dying on the arses (as seems to be the case), does that help Labour? Are working class people in the North seriously about to vote Tory?

[ewerk 31589]

UKIP have agreed not to stand in certain Tory marginals so as to help the Tory vote but there is also talk that they've been asked to continue fielding candidates in certain constituencies where it is felt that they'll draw more votes from Labour than they will the Tories. 

[Dr Gloom 22518]

hurray, ukip have been wiped out in the locals. 

 

oh, the tories have turned into ukip

[Rayvin 5572]

UKIP have agreed not to stand in certain Tory marginals so as to help the Tory vote but there is also talk that they've been asked to continue fielding candidates in certain constituencies where it is felt that they'll draw more votes from Labour than they will the Tories. 

 

Oh really? I missed that. So they're literally allowing their party to fall apart on the sacrificial altar of the Tories? Cowards.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Rayvin

[ewerk 31589]

Well I think the falling apart bit is coincidental. They will only be standing aside in seats where they have no hope of winning themselves but can be the difference between a red or blue win.

[Rayvin 5572]

Why though, given that Labour have committed to pushing Brexit through also? Surely UKIP have more in common with Labour in terms of their voter base, than the Tories?

[ewerk 31589]

Labour are less likely to push for a hard Brexit. Therefore they are still the enemy.

[Rayvin 5572]

I suppose. UKIP have a lot to fucking answer for.

[Dr Gloom 22518]

we wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for that arrogant berk cameron. he thought he could crush the backbench eurosceptics in a popularity contest and thought it'd be a good idea to gamble our future prosperity on it, the pig fucking shit pile

[Renton 22402]

Corbyn and his shadow cabinet are to blame Rayvin, it's as simple as that. If labour represented remotely credible opposition, this simply wouldn't be happening. Most people can't imagine Corbyn as PM, McDonnell as chancellor, and Abott as home secretary and frankly neither can I. Completely unelectable, even against such dire opposition as May. And before you say it, it's got little to do with the "MSM" which in any case you have said are in terminal decline.

 

I blame this situation on two people. Cameron, for the reasons Gloom cited, and Corbyn, because he has been an utter embarrassment in opposition yet wouldn't do the decent thing for his party and by extension his country. May is just a massively underwhelming political opportunist. The quality of politicians now is frighteningly low all round and they are collectively fucking up this country.

[Park Life 71]

The amount of self-serving and deluded wankers in politics in the UK must be at the highest ebb since the second world war. The insular and partisan nature of the various sides is an embarrassment with regard to wider issues and the sheer ignorance of our politicians with regard to matters of our time is mind blowing. Politics in the UK is where losers with no drive or imagination end up. There is a leadership vacuum on all sides and a reluctance to tell the truth and tackle issues head on.

It's nothing more than a circle jerk paid for by the public who themselves are in realm of ignorance unsurpassed in modern history. The 5th largest economy in the world where 2m people are using food banks. Absolute joke.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Park Life

[Renton 22402]

The amount of self-serving and deluded wankers in politics in the UK must be at the highest ebb since the second world war. The insular and partisan nature of the various sides is an embarrassment with regard to wider issues and the sheer ignorance of our politicians with regard to matters of our time is mind blowing. Politics in the UK is where losers with no drive or imagination end up. There is a leadership vacuum on all sides and a reluctance to tell the truth and tackle issues head on.

It's nothing more than a circle jerk paid for by the public who themselves are in realm of ignorance unsurpassed in modern history. The 5th largest economy in the world where 2m people are using food banks. Absolute joke.

Absolutely. Not sure what the solution is though. Paying relatively paltry salaries and allowing second jobs doesn't help though. How about we actually attract capable people by paying them say 200k basic (going up for cabinet positions) and forbidding second jobs and vested interests? In absolute terms this would cost the country fuck all, the plebs won't allow "public servants" to earn a salary even a fraction of what an MD of a medium sized company earns though. "Snouts in troughs". It's running the country ffs. We haveve THERESA FUCKING MAY as PM with JEREMY FUCKING CORBYN as opposition. Edited May 5, 2017 by Renton

[Rayvin 5572]

Corbyn and his shadow cabinet are to blame Rayvin, it's as simple as that. If labour represented remotely credible opposition, this simply wouldn't be happening. Most people can't imagine Corbyn as PM, McDonnell as chancellor, and Abott as home secretary and frankly neither can I. Completely unelectable, even against such dire opposition as May. And before you say it, it's got little to do with the "MSM" which in any case you have said are in terminal decline.

 

I blame this situation on two people. Cameron, for the reasons Gloom cited, and Corbyn, because he has been an utter embarrassment in opposition yet wouldn't do the decent thing for his party and by extension his country. May is just a massively underwhelming political opportunist. The quality of politicians now is frighteningly low all round and they are collectively fucking up this country.

 

I don't agree for all the previous reasons I've given over the last two years. You're basically suggesting that Corbyn should have stood down immediately after being elected, as that would be the only way to avert Brexit (which I've given evidence previously to suggest, would have made no difference to the outcome unless you think Labour voters are on par with the Greens in terms of the proportion who could be persuaded to vote Remain). How on earth would that farce have helped the Labour party?

 

Following the leadership election you've got more of a case, but at the end of the day the PLP fucked that up by jumping the gun after months of bitching about his election. I think I read somewhere that the Tories know from experience that you have to wait two years to oust a leader. Moreover, Corbyn was returned with an even bigger majority. So who does Labour belong to, if not it's members?

 

You can absolutely blame the people who voted Corbyn, such as myself and most of the Labour supporting people I know. Still think you'd be wrong, but at least the argument would make logical sense - asking Corbyn to disavow the principles he stood for in an election that he won by a landslide does not make sense. However, these people voted for him because of how let down they were by the previous Labour regime. And since Miliband introduced the mechanism by which Corbyn came to power (as well as overseeing the party that refused to challenge the rhetoric on austerity, and in so doing abandoned it's working class base), ultimately, I think you'd have to say that he's responsible.

 

But that's just for the Labour Party. Ultimately, the people responsible for the Tories winning this election, and Brexit itself, are the people who voted for those things. I have no blood on my hands.

[Alex 35916]

Absolutely. Not sure what the solution is though. Paying relatively paltry salaries and allowing second jobs doesn't help though. How about we actually attract capable people by paying them say 200k basic (going up for cabinet positions) and forbidding second jobs and vested interests? In absolute terms this would cost the country fuck all, the plebs won't allow "public servants" to earn a salary even a fraction of what an MD of a medium sized company earns though. "Snouts in troughs". It's running the country ffs. We haveve THERESA FUCKING MAY as PM with JEREMY FUCKING CORBYN as opposition.

Yeah, there was a mention on here of Boris Johnson calling Corbyn a "mugwump" in his column in The Sun but the real issue is that Foreign Secretary works for Rupert Murdoch (amongst others). Like it's a fucking part-time job or something.

[Renton 22402]

I don't agree for all the previous reasons I've given over the last two years. You're basically suggesting that Corbyn should have stood down immediately after being elected, as that would be the only way to avert Brexit (which I've given evidence previously to suggest, would have made no difference to the outcome unless you think Labour voters are on par with the Greens in terms of the proportion who could be persuaded to vote Remain). How on earth would that farce have helped the Labour party?

 

Following the leadership election you've got more of a case, but at the end of the day the PLP fucked that up by jumping the gun after months of bitching about his election. I think I read somewhere that the Tories know from experience that you have to wait two years to oust a leader. Moreover, Corbyn was returned with an even bigger majority. So who does Labour belong to, if not it's members?

 

You can absolutely blame the people who voted Corbyn, such as myself and most of the Labour supporting people I know. Still think you'd be wrong, but at least the argument would make logical sense - asking Corbyn to disavow the principles he stood for in an election that he won by a landslide does not make sense. However, these people voted for him because of how let down they were by the previous Labour regime. And since Miliband introduced the mechanism by which Corbyn came to power (as well as overseeing the party that refused to challenge the rhetoric on austerity, and in so doing abandoned it's working class base), ultimately, I think you'd have to say that he's responsible.

 

But that's just for the Labour Party. Ultimately, the people responsible for the Tories winning this election, and Brexit itself, are the people who voted for those things. I have no blood on my hands.

I blame Corbyn even for standing. For not having the self awareness he is incapable of the job. For not opposing Brexit before or after the referendum, whilst simultaneously supporting unfettered immigration, the loon. But most of all, when it became obvious to everyone he was destroying the Labour party and thus giving the hard right of the conservatives free reign to fuck the most vulnerable, for not standing down.

 

Miliband made mistakes and was ultimately a failure (though nowhere near the level of Corbyn). But he had the decency to resign. See the difference here?

[Alex 35916]

That's it for me too regarding Corbyn. It was obvious where this was heading with him in charge - a Tory landslide - so instead of actually doing something positive he's continued to make things worse. Perhaps it'll bring a positive change in the long run but I doubt it.

[Park Life 71]

His crime is even worse when you take into account that think tank after think tank, poll after poll, survey after survey, focus group after focus group, foundation after foundation, steering committee after steering committee, Fabian discussion group after Fabian discussion group, time after time hammer home the heightened significance of the importance of perceived leadership skills, personality and charisma among the electorate. And that the reports across the board with reg to Corbyn have been nothing short of catastrophic.

 

Corbyn

Edited May 5, 2017 by Park Life

[Rayvin 5572]

I blame Corbyn even for standing. For not having the self awareness he is incapable of the job. For not opposing Brexit before or after the referendum, whilst simultaneously supporting unfettered immigration, the loon. But most of all, when it became obvious to everyone he was destroying the Labour party and thus giving the hard right of the conservatives free reign to fuck the most vulnerable, for not standing down.

 

Miliband made mistakes and was ultimately a failure (though nowhere near the level of Corbyn). But he had the decency to resign. See the difference here?

 

Corbyn stood with no prospect of being elected, as he saw it. Sounds as though it was simply something those on the left did every time just to make sure the others paid lipservice to left wing idealism. I doubt he wanted this any more than you wanted him. However, it's hard to deny the fact that a lot of people backed him and that if he had not seen this through, he would have looked an absolute charlatan.

 

He was voted in because people were sick of the failures of the alternative. Blaming him for the failures of those who came before, is pointless.

 

All that is going to happen following this election, is that Labour will lose - Corbyn will stand down, or at least very probably will - and members will desert Labour in their droves. You'll get your party back, they will go back to being able to challenge the Tories with their own, slightly nuanced version of Neoliberalism, and nothing will change. It'll be like it was all a bad dream and nothing more.

 

In the meantime, once that happens, I probably just won't vote. Because it looks absolutely pointless for someone with my views.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Rayvin