2017 GE 1

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Jeremy Cunt keeps his job   The Teflon con.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

82% of voters have just voted for party's promising to exit the single market and cease free movement of people. Big electoral risk for any party to go back on that.

[Renton 21256]

29 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

82% of voters have just voted for party's promising to exit the single market and cease free movement of people. Big electoral risk for any party to go back on that.

 

Like they had a realistic choice otherwise? Give over man. Half the population, probably more including the young no shows last June, do not want any form of Brexit. Probably half of those that do want a soft one. 

 

I reckon Parky's right. It's not going to happen in a meaningful way. 

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Michael Gove back as Environment secretary   John Major is next.

[Tooj 17]

 https://theintercept.com/2017/06/11/jeremy-corbyn-is-leading-the-left-out-of-the-wilderness-and-toward-power/

[Dr Gloom 21807]

The back stabber is back

Edited June 11, 2017 by Dr Gloom

[Meenzer 15386]

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/

[Kid Dynamite 6986]

9 hours ago, Renton said:

Jezza on Andrew Marr show. He's even won me over. All labour need to do in the near future is sit back with popcorn and watch the Tories self destruct. Incredible. Imagine this 3 weeks ago. 

 

Unbelievable Jeff

[Alex 34812]

4 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

82% of voters have just voted for party's promising to exit the single market and cease free movement of people. Big electoral risk for any party to go back on that.

 

Yeah, that was my main motivation for voting for one of them.

[Dr Gloom 21807]

I'm almost starting to feel a bit sorry for May.

 

almost

[Rayvin 5173]

 

[Christmas Tree 4685]

10 hours ago, Meenzer said:

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/

 

Good read.

[Renton 21256]

5 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Good read.

The link at the bottom of that article, "Britain: an economy on the brink" is also canny. Canny frightening that is.

 

Are you still convinced we will get a cracking deal CT? 

[Alex 34812]

Could be interesting if there's a second referendum based on the deal offered. Although if the deal is shit then people could dig their heels in cajoled by the Sun and the Mail.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

23 minutes ago, Renton said:

The link at the bottom of that article, "Britain: an economy on the brink" is also canny. Canny frightening that is.

 

Are you still convinced we will get a cracking deal CT? 

 

Not so sure. If May had got her increased majority then I think we would have, however there's no denying that Jeremy's magic money tree has made things more difficult.

 

Id rather we just stop in than end up in some half in, half out arrangement.

 

 

[Andrew 4718]

3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not so sure. If May had got her increased majority then I think we would have, however there's no denying that Jeremy's magic money tree has made things more difficult.

 

Id rather we just stop in than end up in some half in, half out arrangement.

 

 

 

Why?

[Christmas Tree 4685]

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

 

Why?

 

Well given EU politicians have lined up all weekend to say the result has "weakened her hand", the opposite would be true.

 

Having a larger majority would have freed her up to get the best deal where as before she was pretty controlled by the eurosceptics with her party. 

[Alex 34812]

There's absolutely no incentive for the EU to give a 'cracking deal' to May irrespective of her majority

[Andrew 4718]

Just now, Christmas Tree said:

 

Well given EU politicians have lined up all weekend to say the result has "weakened her hand", the opposite would be true.

 

Having a larger majority would have freed her up to get the best deal where as before she was pretty controlled by the eurosceptics with her party. 

 

You're assuming they aren't just rubbing it in, if she had an increased majority they would've been saying that it was not relevant to the negotiations.

 

Given the assertion that parliament did not get another meaningful vote on the terms of leaving I don't think an increased or decreased majority would've made a difference.

 

[Renton 21256]

2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not so sure. If May had got her increased majority then I think we would have, however there's no denying that Jeremy's magic money tree has made things more difficult.

 

Id rather we just stop in than end up in some half in, half out arrangement.

 

 

 

What about the other option, the one May seems to be pursuing, we leave completely? We will just be another country to the EU, with no benefits over the likes of Angola, Argentina, or Australia.

 

What leverage do you think we have that would incentivize the EU to broker a better deal than we have now? An economy of £3 trillion vs one of £20 trillion? The UK is also massively exposed to foreign investment, most of which are footloose and can move to the EU very quickly. Of course, the EU will benefit from this. What the fuck do we gain though?

 

This is fucking madness, but neither party has the cajones to stand up to the vile jingoistic press to stop it. I guess Corbyn has stood up to the press but has dodged this issue, by far the most important in our lifetimes. 

[Park Life 71]

There won't be any Brexit.....Well in name only.

[Alex 34812]

Just now, Park Life said:

There won't be any Brexit.....Well in name only.

I tend to think (and hope) that's a distinct possibility but you're looking at (at best) the same deal we have now with less (i.e. no) influence over future policy direction. 'Cracking' infers better than we currently have, which was never even a remote possibility.

[Alex 34812]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

What about the other option, the one May seems to be pursuing, we leave completely? We will just be another country to the EU, with no benefits over the likes of Angola, Argentina, or Australia.

 

What leverage do you think we have that would incentivize the EU to broker a better deal than we have now? An economy of £3 trillion vs one of £20 trillion? The UK is also massively exposed to foreign investment, most of which are footloose and can move to the EU very quickly. Of course, the EU will benefit from this. What the fuck do we gain though?

 

This is fucking madness, but neither party has the cajones to stand up to the vile jingoistic press to stop it. I guess Corbyn has stood up to the press but has dodged this issue, by far the most important in our lifetimes. 

The DUP might support her on that but I doubt the requisite number of MPs from her party would.

[Renton 21256]

3 minutes ago, Park Life said:

There won't be any Brexit.....Well in name only.

It makes sense for you to be right.

 

But then again, nothing makes sense any more. We live in a post-sense world. 

[Christmas Tree 4685]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

What about the other option, the one May seems to be pursuing, we leave completely? We will just be another country to the EU, with no benefits over the likes of Angola, Argentina, or Australia.

 

What leverage do you think we have that would incentivize the EU to broker a better deal than we have now? An economy of £3 trillion vs one of £20 trillion? The UK is also massively exposed to foreign investment, most of which are footloose and can move to the EU very quickly. Of course, the EU will benefit from this. What the fuck do we gain though?

 

This is fucking madness, but neither party has the cajones to stand up to the vile jingoistic press to stop it. I guess Corbyn has stood up to the press but has dodged this issue, by far the most important in our lifetimes. 

 

Well I said a few days ago that stopping Brexit would be a good stance for Corbyn.

 

But as I tried to explain last night, 82% voted for parties who have agreed to leave the EU. The danger is if anyone weakens that position then they will lose voters at the next election.