Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: I don't think any team that involves abbot could ever be considered one of dreams, but look at the Tory front bench ffs: Flip flopping careerist and national treasure/joke Boris Johnson, Jeremy "destroy the NHS/ dead behind the eye" hunt, Dr Liam "shady fucker" Fox. Not to mention the incompetent matron running the show. First candidate for pm to ever u turn on one of her own manifesto promises. Shambolic. thats before we even start talking about the long term economic plan which his been swept under the carpet. And just a ten year delay on their target for eliminating the deficit, all while debt has been ballooning. how these cunts are still favourites is astonishing I don't disagree that we are pretty short on the ground of good MP's at the moment. TBF, the green shoots I've seen coming through tend to be more on the Labour side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: About 10 people in Surbiton read the Telegraph and that geezer has about 3000 followers. It's nothing. No side in this election has done proper costings and I think the public are cynical enough about election promises from all sides. Nothing to see here. I thought Paxman failed to take Corby down and millions would have watched that. The viewing figures were a third of what Britain's Got Talent had. Draw your own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 16 minutes ago, Happy Face said: Atrocious media work these days. They don't want to inform the public of the policies of the two parties so we can make an informed decision, they want to catch them out on their sums so they can get re-tweets. Paxman was the same last night. He pushed May hard on police numbers and in fairness she trotted them off, but then, that was her job for 7 fucking years, rather than a manifesto which is only weeks old, by virtue of May's u-turn and snap election. 100% agree with this view on the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Looking at the Tory maj and factoring the Labour comeback it will probably be around 25-30 which is a long way from the 50-60 people were talking about 3/4 weeks ago. There is a really good chance we can keep it in the 20's. Would have been better if the Lib Dems had shown more and taken those wet marginals and perhaps 15-20 Tory seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 The Lib Dems appear to be a big letdown, agreed. I was hoping they'd take about 20 seats back from the Tories due to losing them last time. Unfortunately though, they don't appear to have a very strong sense of where the public mood is. Let's hope they can turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I still think they'll get a big majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Alex said: I still think they'll get a big majority Get with the programe fuckhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: Get with the programe fuckhead. I would absolutely love to be wrong like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 @Alex Same here. I've been impressed with how Corbyn has handled himself during the campaign but he doesn't have to win over the likes of me, I was almost always going to vote for him. May will still win with a chunky majority not due to her being remotely competent but because Corbyn doesn't even attempt to speak to large parts of the electorate. In May's defence you can only beat what's in front of you. She's just been lucky enough to come up against the least threatening labour leader since Michael foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 It is amusing how the whole idea behind the snap election was to make it a presidential May v Corbyn contest and she's turned out to be an absolute liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Alex said: It is amusing how the whole idea behind the snap election was to make it a presidential May v Corbyn contest and she's turned out to be an absolute liability. Gideon is laughing into his socks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: @Alex Same here. I've been impressed with how Corbyn has handled himself during the campaign but he doesn't have to win over the likes of me, I was almost always going to vote for him. May will still win with a chunky majority not due to her being remotely competent but because Corbyn doesn't even attempt to speak to large parts of the electorate. In May's defence you can only beat what's in front of you. She's just been lucky enough to come up against the least threatening labour leader since Michael foot. Who is Corbyn not speaking to? From your past posts, I can only conclude it's people who value a return to British Imperialism and the associated patriotism, over the opportunity to make themselves better off. Oh and anyone earning above £80k who doesn't have a conscience. If that's a sufficiently large proportion of the electorate to lose an election, then we're fucked no matter who is running the thing - the Labour leader who could appeal to such people wouldn't be able to resolve any of the problems. We'll see I suppose, but there should really be something in the Labour manifesto for everyone. Moreso than I've ever seen from Labour before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: Gideon is laughing into his socks man. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Park Life said: Gideon is laughing into his socks man. Properly sticking in the knife, and loving it, the posh twat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Who is Corbyn not speaking to? From your past posts, I can only conclude it's people who value a return to British Imperialism and the associated patriotism, over the opportunity to make themselves better off. Oh and anyone earning above £80k who doesn't have a conscience. If that's a sufficiently large proportion of the electorate to lose an election, then we're fucked no matter who is running the thing - the Labour leader who could appeal to such people wouldn't be able to resolve any of the problems. We'll see I suppose, but there should really be something in the Labour manifesto for everyone. Moreso than I've ever seen from Labour before. Middle England decide UK elections. And yes, they're mostly royalist, patriotic, daily mail-reading arseholes. This is the country we live in, like it or not, and it isn't one which is ready to elect a bearded, socialist, academic manhole cover enthusiast, who won't commit to taking out the leader of Isis, won't condem the ira, doesn't bow his head the right way etc etc. its infuriating but this is the reality of the country we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I was talking to someone at the weekend about the lack of tory "talent" - when you look at Johnson, Hammond and the rest and the fact that May only had to beat Leadsom and compare it with Thatchers day when there was a cabinet full of full on proper tory twats , it makes me hopeful about the future. As I said I think they'll win but May is finished imo - just have to hope the next one is just as shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) @Dr Gloom If they don't this time, 5 more years of the Tories will have them desperate enough to do so. Falling living stands and wealth inequality pretty much guaranteed with the Tories after all. Edited May 30, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 24 point lead down to 6 though. And Corbyn approval rating better than milliband's at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: @Dr Gloom If they don't this time, 5 more years of the Tories will have them desperate enough to do so. Falling living stands and wealth inequality pretty much guaranteed with the Tories after all. people in this country continue to vote against their best interests - brexit being the most recent example. It's a habit which shows little sign of abating. fuck knows what it will take to convince middle England a socialist government will do more for them than the tories. A gfc on their watch, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Happy Face said: 24 point lead down to 6 though. And Corbyn approval rating better than milliband's at this stage. I was confident in this happening a few weeks ago because I understood the problems in the Tory Party itself and its resultant fallout in the manifesto and projection of authority. Whereas political commentators and casual observers were just focused on Labour. What has also happened is that Corby has got some proper suits on and a haircut. Tories lost a few seats last night...I saw them evaporating when Jeremy had her stuttering on 'No deal bad deal'...The geezer in blue saying 'bollocks' when she was opining about the NHS and the laughter that spread on manifesto costings. Edited May 30, 2017 by Park Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: people in this country continue to vote against their best interests - brexit being the most recent example. It's a habit which shows little sign of abating. fuck knows what it will take to convince middle England a socialist government will do more for them than the tories. A gfc on their watch, perhaps. People voted for Brexit out of desperation as much as small mindedness. For me, the whole thing comes down to this: Are people desperate, angry and wanting change, or are they just small minded racists. If it's the former, eventually we'll win. If the latter then agreed, we're fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, Happy Face said: 24 point lead down to 6 though. And Corbyn approval rating better than milliband's at this stage. Where's that approval rating bit from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: People voted for Brexit out of desperation as much as small mindedness. For me, the whole thing comes down to this: Are people desperate, angry and wanting change, or are they just small minded racists. If it's the former, eventually we'll win. If the latter then agreed, we're fucked. I wouldn't say they're all racist but there are plenty who are small minded and plenty who aren't ready for Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: I wouldn't say they're all racist but there are plenty who are small minded and plenty who aren't ready for Corbyn. So you think there's a further category who can recognise that someone like Corbyn is needed in principle, but are too scared to vote for it because it's new and different. I actually think you might have a point there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15524 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Are people desperate, angry and wanting change, or are they just small minded racists. They can be both. Trump knows that better than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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