ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Anyone else been following this? Mental stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/ or http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I've come across pizzagate - fucking crazy development, that one. But probably an inevitable end point of where we're ending up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 I dont think we've got the language to discuss this. Like its hard for journalists to articulate the hypocrisy of the press attacking judges in the Supreme court, so much of today's world is not yet framed for us to understand it. We ignore it until it is framed then immediately all assign ourselves expert status once it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I dont think we've got the language to discuss this. Like its hard for journalists to articulate the hypocrisy of the press attacking judges in the Supreme court, so much of today's world is not yet framed for us to understand it. We ignore it until it is framed then immediately all assign ourselves expert status once it is. Sorry, run that past me again You mean the framing of particular stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Reading it back not sure what i mean. What is pizzagate basically? And all the thousands of other stories like it, it's hard to frame them and say what they are with any meaning which allows us to understand them. I think this is the defining feature of 2016 for me, not the deaths and he destruction, humans have been doing that for millennia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Do you mean that we can't establish them as a separate category from non-fake news because there is so much misinformation in the news generally or because there are elements of truth within even the fake news stories? If it's not either of those then I must just be slow on the uptake today. I think my question is, why can't we just call them fake news stories? What is incomplete about that label? Unless you mean consideration about how we label and perceive not just the story itself, but also the ensuing hysteria and the narratives and actions that these develop into...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34787 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I dont think we've got the language to discuss this. Like its hard for journalists to articulate the hypocrisy of the press attacking judges in the Supreme court, so much of today's world is not yet framed for us to understand it. We ignore it until it is framed then immediately all assign ourselves expert status once it is. Bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) There's not much real news out there these days. Every media outlet has their own agenda or political bias which influences the spin they put on anything. Those with a modicum of intelligence can accept that and make up their own minds on the information presented with them but there's a worryingly large proportion of people who lap up everything they are told to believe Edited December 6, 2016 by StraightEdgeWizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Do you mean that we can't establish them as a separate category from non-fake news because there is so much misinformation in the news generally or because there are elements of truth within even the fake news stories? If it's not either of those then I must just be slow on the uptake today. I think my question is, why can't we just call them fake news stories? What is incomplete about that label? Unless you mean consideration about how we label and perceive not just the story itself, but also the ensuing hysteria and the narratives and actions that these develop into...? It's gone beyond just fake, this isn't just made up stuff that gets shared, it's political and controlling. The narrative was used in this case to further a political outcome. We can't say if it had an influence but the assumption was that it did. Also in this case it's widely held that 4Chan started the story so how come no one thought it was a laugh? Loads of other fake stories are being pushed from alternative news sites and the provenance is now known to be political and controlled by organizations linked to Cambridge Analytica and Republican hedge fund managers. That's my point, it's not just fake news it's a network of dark influence with known and unknown provenance. Unless of course you think Clinton is a satanic paedophile, in which case it's just news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Bollocks Just like that Rees-Mogg meme that you were cross about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34787 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Glad you agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 It's gone beyond just fake, this isn't just made up stuff that gets shared, it's political and controlling. The narrative was used in this case to further a political outcome. We can't say if it had an influence but the assumption was that it did. Also in this case it's widely held that 4Chan started the story so how come no one thought it was a laugh? Loads of other fake stories are being pushed from alternative news sites and the provenance is now known to be political and controlled by organizations linked to Cambridge Analytica and Republican hedge fund managers. That's my point, it's not just fake news it's a network of dark influence with known and unknown provenance. Unless of course you think Clinton is a satanic paedophile, in which case it's just news. I'm with you now, yes. I would tentatively suggest that the MSM themselves set the groundwork for this by playing fast and loose with the truth in the first place of course (see the Mail and on some days, the Guardian), and that, having lost people's trust over a lengthy period of time, they have in effect invited this state of affairs. Which isn't to say that the whole matter isn't very worrying. Very hard to police without just instilling basic critical thinking skills in people though. Although maybe I'm wrong actually, and perhaps Google and others can make more of a dent into this than I think they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 That was shared on my feed by loads of people who i know who immediately started discussing the cover ups about Fukushima and nuclear explosions. The subtle message about climate change being made up must have gone in but no one mentions it. So i find out who Dixon Diaz is and see he has links to Breitbart and then i remember that Breitbart are linked to Cambridge Analytica and that according to the Guardian on Sunday they have been conducting OCEAN tests on everyone and targeting political messages to them. The key funders described by the Guardian were Hedge Fund managers who are mainly supporting and funding think tanks designed to combat the climate change agenda. Tenuous enough link for me to be described as hypocritical but i think the insidious power of the internet is just beginning to be properly understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Glad you agree Just humouring you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34787 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Likewise, Napoleon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) That was shared on my feed by loads of people who i know who immediately started discussing the cover ups about Fukushima and nuclear explosions. The subtle message about climate change being made up must have gone in but no one mentions it. So i find out who Dixon Diaz is and see he has links to Breitbart and then i remember that Breitbart are linked to Cambridge Analytica and that according to the Guardian on Sunday they have been conducting OCEAN tests on everyone and targeting political messages to them. The key funders described by the Guardian were Hedge Fund managers who are mainly supporting and funding think tanks designed to combat the climate change agenda. Tenuous enough link for me to be described as hypocritical but i think the insidious power of the internet is just beginning to be properly understood. Tenuous but feasible. I can see your point and certainly with respect of climate change it makes things difficult. I think Monbiot was arguing not long ago that think tanks that don't publish their funding backers should be considered lobbying organisations as their advice can't be treated as independent. People are easily corralled generally and if there is a widespread move to manipulate people through information such as what you've just cited, it should be a worry for all of us. Edited December 6, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44273 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I could murder a pizza atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 There was nearly as much controversy about Cal's Own. Comet Ping Pong though? Only a satanic paedophile could name a pizzeria that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44273 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Back at Cal's this week. I will sacrifice myself to save this business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I dont think we've got the language to discuss this. Like its hard for journalists to articulate the hypocrisy of the press attacking judges in the Supreme court, so much of today's world is not yet framed for us to understand it. We ignore it until it is framed then immediately all assign ourselves expert status once it is. Who framed Roger Rabbit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 r/thedonald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 the mainstream media is to blame for fake news now too? fucking hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 the mainstream media is to blame for fake news now too? fucking hell I threw that in there especially for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 on the subject, i posted this big read from the gruaniad in the politics thread. well worth a read if you've got a spare 10 mins https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/04/google-democracy-truth-internet-search-facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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