ewerk 31195 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Isegrim said: Imagine looking out of your prison cell as the limo drives away knowing you're still stuck there for another 20 years. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21983 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Bannon has been pardoned before he was convicted of anything.. What a fuckin country He was also pleading not guilty whereas I understand clemency is normally reserved for those that admit their guilt. I'm really struggling to understand why a president can pardon anyone though? Is this another part of their tinpot constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11542 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43063 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Gemmill said: Nowt for Trump himself and his kids. Let the legal avalanche begin. Yet. He’s still Prez for a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21983 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Yet. He’s still Prez for a few hours. Can't wait until he is relinquished from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Nearly 200 years later and some of you still don’t quite get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35571 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Person who wrote that probably wonders why they named the county after a condiment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 878 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Renton said: He was also pleading not guilty whereas I understand clemency is normally reserved for those that admit their guilt. I'm really struggling to understand why a president can pardon anyone though? Is this another part of their tinpot constitution? If he accepts the pardon, it will imply guilt, and will take away his right to invoke the 5th Amendment in future. The powers of pardon and clemency exist to give the executive branch a check on the judiciary. During the arguments for ratification of the Constitution, many feared that an unelected judiciary who held their positions for life would lead to tyranny, so the Founding Fathers wrote in safety valves. The Constitution is not "tinpot" whatsoever - it is a magnificent work of art that has persisted through the centuries. The problem is the character of the men who uphold it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Aye, can you imagine the damage Trump would have done if the US had our parliamentary system? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Though your second amendment could do with a bit of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21983 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, acrossthepond said: If he accepts the pardon, it will imply guilt, and will take away his right to invoke the 5th Amendment in future. The powers of pardon and clemency exist to give the executive branch a check on the judiciary. During the arguments for ratification of the Constitution, many feared that an unelected judiciary who held their positions for life would lead to tyranny, so the Founding Fathers wrote in safety valves. The Constitution is not "tinpot" whatsoever - it is a magnificent work of art that has persisted through the centuries. The problem is the character of the men who uphold it. Fair enough, but your last point does seem to be a fundamental flaw. I've always wondered if there is a way for a constitution to evolve in line with contemporary values and practicalities. The second ammendment in the US would suggest it hasn't worked there and could ultimately be fatal. It's led to all manner of perverse outcomes. Not that I can criticise too much being a subject of the Queen in a country with no written constitution at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35571 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, ewerk said: Aye, can you imagine the damage Trump would have done if the US had our parliamentary system? You barely need to imagine it. Trump feels like a blip compared to the sea change here over the past 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Fish 10963 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, ewerk said: Though your second amendment could do with a bit of work. The way some Americans deify the Constitution is mental. Screaming you can't change it and must abide by it as it was written. Even though arguably the most famous parts of it are the fucking amendments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, acrossthepond said: If he accepts the pardon, it will imply guilt, and will take away his right to invoke the 5th Amendment in future. The powers of pardon and clemency exist to give the executive branch a check on the judiciary. During the arguments for ratification of the Constitution, many feared that an unelected judiciary who held their positions for life would lead to tyranny, so the Founding Fathers wrote in safety valves. The Constitution is not "tinpot" whatsoever - it is a magnificent work of art that has persisted through the centuries. The problem is the character of the men who uphold it. So that's why Trump hasn't pardoned himself or any of his offspring...its an admission of guilt. Not sure of Bannon will accept his tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: So that's why Trump hasn't pardoned himself or any of his offspring...its an admission of guilt. Not sure of Bannon will accept his tbh He'll be waiting til 11.59 to drop those pardons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22143 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5295 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Biden will reverse it all before it comes in of course, but it's worth saying anyway what an unmitigated cunt that man is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 'Homeless shelters can turn away queer teenagers'. Like FFS, that's just being evil for the sake of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14047 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 How many radge Trump supporters do we reckon are getting tased around Washington as we speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3964 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: How many radge Trump supporters do we reckon are getting tased around Washington as we speak? Or tasing their own nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22143 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 i heard a lot of sirens on CNN earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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