President Biden

[S Norman 4]

2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

"Work brings Freedom"

 

Who does this muppet think he's arguing with? Which political movement is anti-work?

 

That probably refers to the sign that was displayed at the Auschwitz camp entrance. It has become a popular slogan amongst anti lockdown clowns

 

 

[ewerk 30221]

  

13 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Actually no, I'm not - maybe that would explain this. What is it?

 

 

Buckle in, this is quite a story. So there was this place called Auschwitz...

Edited January 7, 2021 by ewerk

[The Fish 10685]

Any further news on the rumours that Pence might invoke the 25th Ammendment?

 

Would Trump lose the 'President' honorific if he was removed from office?

 

That, being blocked on twitter and having a mugshot without the fake tan and his hair styled might tip him over the edge.

[ewerk 30221]

I can't see it happening. Would there be 2/3 support in the House and Senate for it? Also, would it preclude Pence from carrying out two terms in the future or completely obliterate his chances of nomination?

[Meenzer 15371]

10 minutes ago, ewerk said:

  Buckle in, this is quite a story. So there was this place called Auschwitz...

 

I'm sorry, I know it's wrong but my brain immediately read that in a "So this is a story all about how..." tone

 

[The Fish 10685]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

I can't see it happening. Would there be 2/3 support in the House and Senate for it? Also, would it preclude Pence from carrying out two terms in the future or completely obliterate his chances of nomination?

Read somewhere that it just needs to be VP and majority of the cabinet?

 

Pence won't get on the ticket again, surely? Too much Trump stink on him?

[ewerk 30221]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

Read somewhere that it just needs to be VP and majority of the cabinet?

 

Pence won't get on the ticket again, surely? Too much Trump stink on him?

That's for him to become acting president, it then has to be ratified in Congress to stick.

Pence is closely linked to Trump but yet Trump supporters now hate him. I can't see him getting the nomination but he may not know that yet.

[Tom 14011]

19 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Actually no, I'm not - maybe that would explain this. What is it?

“Work Will Set You Free” was a slogan used above the entrances to concentration camps. (As above)

Except it didn’t & it was merely a cruel trick specifically targeting Jewish inmates. The Germans, a largely agricultural nation at the turn of the century couldn’t understand how Jewish people accumulated wealth without sweating for it. 
 

So anti Jewish propaganda & conspiracy theories about them running the world & being in line with commies etc were easily digested by the German people, who had to work hard post WW1 but were still desperately poor, especially in light of the terms of the Versailles treaty. (Which they believed was overseen by Jews)

I visited Dachau memorial site just outside of Munich and the stories were horrific. 
 

For a work related “story” - German officers would regularly gather groups of Jewish prisoners and March them off to a corner of the site. 
 

They’d order them to start digging & obviously having seen the sign the Jewish lads worked their arses off and shifted tons of soil. At the end the Germans told them to fill the hole back in & it’s back to the barracks.
 

“work will set you free”

[Monkeys Fist 42004]

11 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Would Trump lose the 'President' honorific if he was removed from office?

Quick answer is no one is sure, as it’s never happened. 
Nixon resigned, before he was removed, so technically got to keep use of Mr. President. 
Other titles include “Honorable” which isn’t exclusive to Presidents, but he’d likely keep the use of it- 

 

I also think, judging by the tone and words used by Pence when announcing Biden’s confirmation, that using the 25th wouldn’t be as unlikely as some think it is. 

[The Fish 10685]

3 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Quick answer is no one is sure, as it’s never happened. 
Nixon resigned, before he was removed, so technically got to keep

use of Mr. President. 
Other titles include “Honorable” which isn’t exclusive to Presidents, but he’d likely keep the use of it- 

 

I also think, judging by the tone and words used by Pence when announcing Biden’s confirmation, that using the 25th wouldn’t be as unlikely as some think it is. 

I thought he lost it? That's mental. 

 

Did he still get a Presidential Library? Speaking of which, will Trump's just be a strip mall with a Trump-Merch store, a Burger King, and a casino/strip club.

 

6 minutes ago, ewerk said:

That's for him to become acting president, it then has to be ratified in Congress to stick.

Pence is closely linked to Trump but yet Trump supporters now hate him. I can't see him getting the nomination but he may not know that yet.

Ah, fair fucks. Cheers.

[Gemmill 44265]

 

That is like something out of a wacky comedy. "We were storming the Capitol, it's a revolution!" 

 

She can barely conceal her contempt for the stupidity of his question. Honestly if I knew her I'd mace her on a daily basis for more of this entertainment. 

 

 

[Monkeys Fist 42004]

14 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Did he still get a Presidential Library? Speaking of which, will Trump's just be a strip mall with a Trump-Merch store, a Burger King, and a casino/strip club.

 

He’s buried at his Presidential Library and Museum. 
 

Ford gave him a full pardon, which, combined with him avoiding impeachment by resigning, means he still kept the Mr. President bit. 
 

I think 

[Dr Gloom 21801]

3 hours ago, Rayvin said:

"Work brings Freedom"

 

Who does this muppet think he's arguing with? Which political movement is anti-work?

[Dr Gloom 21801]

i'll accept your apology when you're ready rayvin 

[Dr Gloom 21801]

2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

I mean, a bunch of nazis stormed the capitol and I'm meant to be shocked that his shirt aligns him with them?

 

Sorry yes, I'm very shocked the nazi is wearing an obviously pro-nazi shirt.

yeah, but hillary would have doubled down on syria...

[Rayvin 5164]

1 hour ago, Tom said:

“Work Will Set You Free” was a slogan used above the entrances to concentration camps. (As above)

Except it didn’t & it was merely a cruel trick specifically targeting Jewish inmates. The Germans, a largely agricultural nation at the turn of the century couldn’t understand how Jewish people accumulated wealth without sweating for it. 
 

So anti Jewish propaganda & conspiracy theories about them running the world & being in line with commies etc were easily digested by the German people, who had to work hard post WW1 but were still desperately poor, especially in light of the terms of the Versailles treaty. (Which they believed was overseen by Jews)

I visited Dachau memorial site just outside of Munich and the stories were horrific. 
 

For a work related “story” - German officers would regularly gather groups of Jewish prisoners and March them off to a corner of the site. 
 

They’d order them to start digging & obviously having seen the sign the Jewish lads worked their arses off and shifted tons of soil. At the end the Germans told them to fill the hole back in & it’s back to the barracks.
 

“work will set you free”

 

Thanks for this.

[Gemmill 44265]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Thanks for this. Anyone know where I can get one of those hoodies? 

 

Unbelievable. 

[Rayvin 5164]

36 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

i'll accept your apology when you're ready rayvin 

 

For what? Ignorance? I made myself open to learning something and accepted it, nothing to apologise for.

 

34 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

yeah, but hillary would have doubled down on syria...

 

Are you saying that the deaths of 4 nazis are comparable to the deaths of tens of thousands of brown people...?

 

I can't actually remember far back enough as to my views on Clinton doubling down on Syria but for all you've thrown it up at me over the years I'm confident that it was far more of a Parky angle than it ever was my view. Having said that though, I daresay ewerk will find a choice quote in due course. I recall thinking Clinton was a bland continuation of the sorts of problems that led us here, and I stand by it. We didn't get here without a lot of groundwork being laid. I also remember saying Trump would be so ineffective in office that he would represent a better alternative than some alternate universe where Clinton won and the forces of darkness poured their energy into someone competent. We'll never know on that front, but I don't think I thought Trump ever represented a better option than Clinton save for that unknown.

 

I think this storming of the capitol is actually not that big a deal in practice, albeit significant in symbolism. We should make as much political capital as possible out of it though, so I'm not going to criticise anyone who goes on like it's a full on civil war. If it was a big deal something serious would have happened in response, and it does not appear that this will be the case.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Rayvin

[ewerk 30221]

18 hours ago, ewerk said:

Still reckon they’re all the same?

18 hours ago, baby!

But here's a bonus just for you:

 

  

On 26/09/2016 at 15:18, Rayvin said:

 

True. I have similar concerns about both Trump and Clinton.

 

 

 

[Rayvin 5164]

I thought the one 18 hours ago was about Biden, my bad - I stand by the Titanic sentiment though, the ship is going down either way.

 

But if that other one is the best you've got then I'm pretty happy tbh.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Rayvin

[ewerk 30221]

You still don't see any difference between Biden and Trump?!

[Dr Gloom 21801]

I’m only teasing Ray. I definitely remember clashing with you and Parky. He unashamedly defended Trump, was a fan even. You suggested, if I remember correctly, that a Hillary presidency was a more dangerous prospect than Trump in the White House. Has your view evolved, I wonder?

[Rayvin 5164]

31 minutes ago, ewerk said:

You still don't see any difference between Biden and Trump?!

 

I don't see any difference in the overall trajectory for Western civilisation as it refuses to learn the lessons from its mistakes.

 

There are plenty of personal and political differences between Biden and Trump and I'm delighted that Biden won because it gives us a 5 year extension ahead of the inevitable apocalypse

[Rayvin 5164]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

I’m only teasing Ray. I definitely remember clashing with you and Parky. He unashamedly defended Trump, was a fan even. You suggested, if I remember correctly, that a Hillary presidency was a more dangerous prospect than Trump in the White House. Has your view evolved, I wonder?

 

That sounds about right - and yes, it has. At the time I saw Trump as a possible pressure release on nationalism. The notion that the right would see how godawful he was and realise that this kind of shit wasn't the answer. Clearly some Americans have indeed seen this given the record numbers of turnout to stop his re-election, but ultimately I can't claim to have been right in any sense, given that record numbers also voted for Trump. What I didn't predict was that fake news would only get worse, and that the polarisation of the two sides would become more important than what they were even fighting about (to the Trumpists at least). I mean, no thinking person should actually be capable of watching a Trump press conference and fully buy into what he's saying. It's so transparently fake that I don't believe it's possible to even be hoodwinked into it.

 

My fear was that we'd be at a point sort of like this, but after 4 years of Clinton during which time the right would organise and the threat would grow. It's impossible to know for sure but given that Trump clearly isn't the real enemy behind this, I don't think we should imagine that this will all settle down without him. Remember at the time we were seeing populists coming to power all over the place - it's not going to go away because Trump has been defeated.

 

But on balance, clearly nothing positive has come from him having won versus my alternative scenario, and so we may as well have had 4 years of stability and adult politics. Therefore yes, Clinton would have been a better outcome even with respect of my concerns at the time (and clearly in all the normal ways anyway). I will still argue she was the wrong candidate to choose though, for the Democrats.

[Rayvin 5164]

I'll add incidentally that there is a sudden groundswell of right wing, populist talking heads going on about setting up parties to "represent the working class". It's happening here and in the US, and it wouldn't surprise me if it spreads. The left has to be very careful to hold on to those working class voters or we're going to see a re-run of the 1930s IMO. Another decade of austerity, lockdowns that they don't understand the science behind, and relentless right wing shit about immigrants, coupled with rampant patriotism, and I think that's where we potentially end up.

 

So Biden, Clinton, Starmer, whoever - they need to get out ahead of this somehow. If I was Biden I'd be cracking down on social media like I was running a totalitarian state.