Park Life 71 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) Just regurgitating the hokum from the Post. Bezos and Trump have been at war for ages now. 'In 2013, the newspaper was purchased by Jeff Bezos for $250 million in cash. The newspaper is owned by Nash Holdings LLC, a holding company Bezos created for the acquisition.' Edited December 10, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 After the black list last week, youd think the post would be more careful about anonymous claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Bezos is gonna get Guantanamoed day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Good read on the CIA claims coming hot on the heels of the review ordered by Obama.... https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30638 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Set to name the CEO of Exxon as Secretary of State. #draintheswamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21950 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 What a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Good read on the CIA claims coming hot on the heels of the review ordered by Obama.... https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/ The CIA correctly are afraid that Trump means the end of the covert war in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/ Craig Murray is a fantasist who was barred by the SNP from standing for "personality" reasons. He then claimed it was because he refused to vote with the SNP in backing the bedroom tax. I know several people who have gone through exactly the same vetting and this is not something that was asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Also has a very strong vested interest in denying Russian involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 His argument is valid either way. Even if he was making up anything about knowing who the leaker was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 Should also be noted that I was led to the post by wikileaks tweeting a link. You can read different things into them doing that, but to me it seems that they're standing by their non-russian source claim and disseminating the author's claim that he has knowledge of the source. It would be a remarkable position to take if you had any doubts whatsoever about who the CIA might be close to exposing as a source with ties to Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Common sense says they were involved, decades of KGB interference says they were involved, Fancy Bears says they were involved, the 1000 plus propaganda force deployed on western website operating out of St Petersburg says they were involved, The Trump campaigns troubling and deeply compromised relationship with Russia says they were involved, the CIA and the DNC say they were involved. Literally everything that is happening in Syria shows just one example of the extraordinary importance of Trump's win for Russia, a win in a 2 horse race in a country that has defined itself in soft or hard opposition to Russian imperial ambition for decades. But no, some bloke off Wikileaks says so that's that We are all biased no matter what we think. Edited December 11, 2016 by ChezGiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Trump saying that the idea is ridiculous also funnily enough points to them being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 Obama to Romney in 2012 “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because…the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” Why is Trumps relationship with Russia more troubling than Obama's appeasement? But aside from tit for tat, these say, they say, the FBI say etc. The questions to be answered are .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 That's got nothing to do with the subject under discussion as far as I can tell. Which is Russian interference. If true, Russian hacking and interference in an election for a candidate who has extensive links to Russian business interests is more troubling than a 'rapprochement' under Obama. But that's not the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Evidence? More than happy to concede if there is some... ''At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One. Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.'' I'm confused I thought it was da Clintahns that were loving it Russian. Trump is gonna take a chainsaw to the CIA (if they don't shoot him first). Edited December 11, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 This 3 year old podcast about the US interference in the the Russian sphere (deciding the Ukrainian leader) stuck in my mind at the time. Well worth a listen for the warning about how these things escalate. https://audioboom.com/posts/2057050-show-270-poking-the-bear Best to start at 8 minutes to avoid pre-amble. But a prescient warning that what's good for the goose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 No idea if what you two posted was meant to argue against Russian interference. Am fine if the answer is yes because the US interfered in theirs. Am not fine with the 'the Clintons had strategic engagement with Russia' so somehow it's fine for the US and the world to be manipulated by Russian hackers and propagandists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30638 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30638 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Nothing other than being creator and executive producer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21950 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Read my lips. I've never met Putin except for this one time when I might have said we did meet and we have a beautiful beautiful relationship. Trust me. It's tremendous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 No idea if what you two posted was meant to argue against Russian interference. Am fine if the answer is yes because the US interfered in theirs. Am not fine with the 'the Clintons had strategic engagement with Russia' so somehow it's fine for the US and the world to be manipulated by Russian hackers and propagandists. They all ski together at Chamonix ffs! Get over yerself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They all ski together at Chamonix ffs! Get over yerself. The things that narks me is that all of this is set against a carefully spun narrative from Russia on US aggression in Ukraine and Syria. A message that has incidentally massive support amongst people who follow David Icke and the like, the alternative thinkers, the conspiracists, who have been targeted by Russia in the only part of their war which is truly 'soft'. The rest of it is hard as nails and they have used the split in the West's thinking on the West's own policy to undermine support and have ruthlessly and deliberately exploited the lack of trust in the US and the West since Iraq. Ukraine was a CIA plot, Crimea just a democratic eventuality, in the story of soft Russian power in the face of US aggression? Same story holds in Syria, for everyone. They have identified the lack of trust and doing everything they can to exploit. English written Facebook memes decrying US aggression come from Russia via RT and multiple other affiliate websites. The truth? Well if the US started the fight in the Maidan, if the US caused the bloodshed in Syria, they are in the work and Russia was right, right? So Trump is on the side of good, doing what's right for the world, fucking over the CIA? Yeah!!! Wrong and if you don't see the importance of Tillerson you are missing the victory that Putin is now celebrating. It should also tell you that everything you read on Syria is full of shit too, as a bunch of Russian (and now US!) Oilmen, leading the politics strategy in the Middle East aren't somehow miraculously going to be doing things for peace. That would be taking the naivety of the counter narrative suckers to extremes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21950 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I find it quite odd that so many on the left seem blind to Russia's imperialist ambitions yet so keen to slam the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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