President Biden

[Rayvin 5223]

On a separate point, everyone's favourite moderate Michael Bloomberg has equated the payment of a $10/hr minimum wage, applicable only in NYC, and only to companies who receive certain levels of government support - with communism.

 

God help America, seriously. Some of these democrats really are to the right of the Tories. Not just through pragmatism, but in principle.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Rayvin

[Renton 21628]

9 hours ago, Rayvin said:

On a separate point, everyone's favourite moderate Michael Bloomberg has equated the payment of a $10/hr minimum wage, applicable only in NYC, and only to companies who receive certain levels of government support - with communism.

 

God help America, seriously. Some of these democrats really are to the right of the Tories. Not just through pragmatism, but in principle.

 

The Democrats have always been far to the right of the tories man. There is no comparison of US and UK politics, at least there wasn't.

 

Having said that, I benefitted from minimum wage there back in 92, long before it was introduced here. 

[ewerk 30620]

10 hours ago, Rayvin said:

On a separate point, everyone's favourite moderate Michael Bloomberg has equated the payment of a $10/hr minimum wage, applicable only in NYC, and only to companies who receive certain levels of government support - with communism.

 

God help America, seriously. Some of these democrats really are to the right of the Tories. Not just through pragmatism, but in principle.

Link? I thought he was in favour of the minimum wage.

[Rayvin 5223]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

Link? I thought he was in favour of the minimum wage.

 

 

https://observer.com/2012/04/mayor-bloomberg-says-living-wage-bill-reminds-him-of-communist-russia/

 

Tbf to him though (and I concede I missed this first time around), this appears to have been said in 2012. So it's been dredged up now by the progressive wing to throw at him from a voting perspective. It's all over their channels.

 

So it's not really super relevant unless he still holds those views.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Rayvin

[Rayvin 5223]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/15/bernie-sanders-democratic-centrists-alarm

 

“You’re going to absolutely see significant money behind centrists, moderates, whatever, to defeat Sanders,” said Democratic strategist Andrew Feldman.

“Bernie is absolutely going to see intensified scrutiny. He was never in this position of the frontrunner in the 2016 race, and you’re going to see things from a long career come out that people are gonna go after.”

 

They're going to Corbyn him. So long Bernie... you'll be a terrorist sympathising antisemite before the year is out.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Rayvin

[Renton 21628]

Honestly though, at 78 isn't he really too old anyway? 

[Dr Gloom 21924]

Sanders has got about as much chance of winning as Corbyn ever did. You don’t get to be commander in chief if you call yourself a socialist. It’s a dirty word over there. 
 

He’s also basically a social democrat anyway so it’s entirely pointless and self-defeating. 

[Rayvin 5223]

4 hours ago, Renton said:

Honestly though, at 78 isn't he really too old anyway? 

 

I mean, frankly, yes.

[Rayvin 5223]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

Sanders has got about as much chance of winning as Corbyn ever did. You don’t get to be commander in chief if you call yourself a socialist. It’s a dirty word over there. 
 

He’s also basically a social democrat anyway so it’s entirely pointless and self-defeating. 

 

It'll be interesting to see how the centrists try to destroy him over the next few months. I do kinda feel like they will have watched how our lot did it to Corbyn and then roll out the same kinds of approaches.

 

I still believe it doesn't matter whatever happens. In fact they may as well let him have this one. No one they've got is going to unseat Trump.

[Renton 21628]

3 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

It'll be interesting to see how the centrists try to destroy him over the next few months. I do kinda feel like they will have watched how our lot did it to Corbyn and then roll out the same kinds of approaches.

 

I still believe it doesn't matter whatever happens. In fact they may as well let him have this one. No one they've got is going to unseat Trump.

 

Baffled at this.  You admit Sanders is too old. And apparently Trump is undefeatable? And everyone else? Despite the fact sven Hilary beat him on the popular vote last time? 

[Rayvin 5223]

Yeah I think he's undefeatable indeed.

 

Reality doesn't matter anymore, only that your side wins. And that poll a few days ago demonstrates that Americans are better off now than they ever have been or whatever it was.

 

The democrats will ruin it for themselves because Bernie will take off, the centrists will panic and try to destroy him thus pissing off all the left wingers who would vote for him to the point where they just chuck it in and don't bother - so your centrist has to beat trump with the centrist vote alone as the left concludes they're two sides of the same coin and that it has to win the war in the democrat party before it takes on the war for the nation.

 

Trump wins by being more right wing than the centrist, who desperately has to backpedal to try and win those disillusioned left wingers over, probably by talking about how horrifying trump is.

 

It won't matter though because they'll have had to demonstrate unremitting cuntery to take out Sanders, the left wont budge, and ultimately it'll all end in tears.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Rayvin

[acrossthepond 877]

I think you're underestimating the will to defeat Trump. I don't think the "horseshoe" thing is happening this time, even if it did in 2016, which is still a little dubious. There's no hardcore left-winger who is going to sit this one out. Personally I would prefer someone further left of center, and I detest Bloomberg (NYC teacher, how could I not?) but I would easily vote for him if it were a choice between him and Trump. I'd vote for the Devil himself if he had a D next to his name and I think there are millions who feel the same way. 

[Kid Dynamite 7031]

This is all the more funny because you know it’s exactly the sort of stuff Trump’s ego can’t deal

with

 

 

[ewerk 30620]

Why? He takes the accusation of being a bully as a compliment.

[Kid Dynamite 7031]

He's got a narcissistic personality disorder. He hates any criticism

[Alex 35095]

Always reminds me of this when he starts doing his hard man act. Hope he meets the same fate 

 

[ewerk 30620]

11 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

He's got a narcissistic personality disorder. He hates any criticism

He literally posted a clip of Larry David taking the piss out of him a few days ago because he thought it made him look hard. He’s a narcissist, of course, but he's too thick to be insulted by calling him a bully.

[Sonatine 11393]

35 minutes ago, Alex said:

Always reminds me of this when he starts doing his hard man act. Hope he meets the same fate 

 

 

Always funny seeing Alf Roberts getting a slap  

[Rayvin 5223]

6 hours ago, acrossthepond said:

I think you're underestimating the will to defeat Trump. I don't think the "horseshoe" thing is happening this time, even if it did in 2016, which is still a little dubious. There's no hardcore left-winger who is going to sit this one out. Personally I would prefer someone further left of center, and I detest Bloomberg (NYC teacher, how could I not?) but I would easily vote for him if it were a choice between him and Trump. I'd vote for the Devil himself if he had a D next to his name and I think there are millions who feel the same way. 

 

If that's the case, surely Sanders can best him then?

 

I'm not trying to challenge here per se, what you're saying sounds encouraging and we really do need Trump gone no matter what.

[Kid Dynamite 7031]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

He literally posted a clip of Larry David taking the piss out of him a few days ago because he thought it made him look hard. He’s a narcissist, of course, but he's too thick to be insulted by calling him a bully.

 

I believe he genuinely didn't realise that clip was a pisstake

[Dr Gloom 21924]

3 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

This is all the more funny because you know it’s exactly the sort of stuff Trump’s ego can’t deal

with

 

 

The crane kick at the end was a nice touch 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3898]

21 hours ago, Renton said:

Honestly though, at 78 isn't he really too old anyway? 

And he recently had a heart attack.

[Rayvin 5223]

So this isn't going so well for Bloomberg he was destroyed in the Nevada debates.

 

The only thing he has going for him is money. And yeah maybe that's enough but he's so devoid of substance that I really hope it's not.

 

Sanders does not look 78. Or ill. 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3898]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

So this isn't going so well for Bloomberg he was destroyed in the Nevada debates.

 

The only thing he has going for him is money. And yeah maybe that's enough but he's so devoid of substance that I really hope it's not.

 

Sanders does not look 78. Or ill. 

But he is 78 and recently had a heart attack.

[Rayvin 5223]

Well, he didn't look it.

 

And let's be fair, Bloomberg is a Republican masquerading as a Democrat. He actually was a Republican during the Bush era.

 

He's also apparently homophobic, sexist, racist and all the other usual things, so quite how many of the young and woke are going to vote for him even if he does get the nomination is really not as clear to me as it is to others.

 

All he has is money.