President Biden

[Christmas Tree 4685]

44 minutes ago, ewerk said:

The G7 summit has really shown him up for the fool he is.

 

Not sure if it’s possible to debate Trump without all the usual Toontastic hysteria, but has it?

 

He seems to be charging full steam ahead in all the promises he made during his election. He’s not playing the established political niceties game, but seems to be bullying the world to adhere to what he believes are in America’s interests.

 

Iran, Climate, N.Korea, trade, China, NAFTA, etc

 

Are the EU etc really going to hit back as hard as he’s hit them or will they meekly succumb.

 

I don’t like the man at all but I think he’s ploughing through his agenda like a businessman rather than tip toeing around like a normal politician.

 

Obviously it’s shit for the rest of us but so far he is taking the game to everyone without much response.

 

 

[Andrew 4718]

41 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not sure if it’s possible to debate Trump without all the usual Toontastic hysteria, but has it?

 

He seems to be charging full steam ahead in all the promises he made during his election. He’s not playing the established political niceties game, but seems to be bullying the world to adhere to what he believes are in America’s interests.

 

Iran, Climate, N.Korea, trade, China, NAFTA, etc

 

Are the EU etc really going to hit back as hard as he’s hit them or will they meekly succumb.

 

I don’t like the man at all but I think he’s ploughing through his agenda like a businessman rather than tip toeing around like a normal politician.

 

Obviously it’s shit for the rest of us but so far he is taking the game to everyone without much response.

 

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

[ewerk 30253]

CT, you struggle badly with British politics. Maybe just don’t bother getting involved at international level.

[Renton 21286]

1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not sure if it’s possible to debate Trump without all the usual Toontastic hysteria, but has it?

 

He seems to be charging full steam ahead in all the promises he made during his election. He’s not playing the established political niceties game, but seems to be bullying the world to adhere to what he believes are in America’s interests.

 

Iran, Climate, N.Korea, trade, China, NAFTA, etc

 

Are the EU etc really going to hit back as hard as he’s hit them or will they meekly succumb.

 

I don’t like the man at all but I think he’s ploughing through his agenda like a businessman rather than tip toeing around like a normal politician.

 

Obviously it’s shit for the rest of us but so far he is taking the game to everyone without much response.

 

 

 

Neatly omitting he's a Russian stooge as well as a fucking horrendous stain on humanity by anyone's measure. Racist, fascist, misogynist scum, and you're impressed.

 

The EU is an economic powerhouse and one of the only 3 big players along with China and the US. You want to weaken it so we can can get a cracking deal with the US. You think any deal we get with the US will benefit us it the continent we live on? Putin is laughing his tits off. 

 

 

[Rayvin 5176]

The EU may not have the headline grabbing aggressive rhetoric of Trump, but I am totally certain that they will push back as hard, if not harder, than Trump has gone here. 

 

Largely because they aren't a gaggle of fucking idiots, unlike everyone associated with the Trump Administration.

[Dr Gloom 21812]

Contrary Tree is a Trump fan, I never saw that coming.

[Howay 12496]

Doing what he promised during his campaign?

Like the ‘beautiful’ tax reform that was going to help the middle class and create job growth? Instead it’s burdened the middle class more as the cut from 35% to 21% for corporations created a large shortfall, this was supposed to create jobs but instead the large corporations plowed money into share buy backs. The share buy backs drives the price of stock up which means the C-suite get even bigger bonuses, essentially putting the tax windfall right into executives pockets. 

 

The ripping up of the Iran deal was a distraction from his court cases (fucking plural) since NK had cooled. He then tried his fucking best to undo the hard work of South Korea and China by simply abusing Kim Jong Un for no fucking reason. I don’t even think the Iran deal was discussed during the campaign, there was no reason other than the fact Obama happened to be the President that signed it to rip that deal up iirc it took 3 terms to get that deal done. 

 

He’s still planning on spending essentially all of the money brought in by the mandatory deemed repatriation (aka “Toll charge”) on a pointless wall. 

 

We’ll also just ignore the fact he’s a fucking embarrassment, he asked Trudeau if they had burned down the White House (that was Britain in 1812), he suggested he “might” pardon Muhammad Alli when he was already pardoned decades ago, he’s going through multiple court cases, one showing he’s Putin’s lap dog and another showing he paid off a porn star, he has started feuds with multiple American sports teams doing pathetic thinks like uninviting champions to the White House after they said they wouldn’t go, he also has said he might just give a presidential pardon to himself. 

 

I rarely feel this way but I echo Gemmils sentiment on him tbh, he’s needlessly destabilizing and causing potentially large harm to people’s lives (if you think this is hyserical just look at his stance on guns for a start). The man is poison, and regardless of if he really is some hard right racist himself (He’s definitely a racist but he’s more just greedy than being far right) there’s no doubt he is giving these people a voice and they seem to be growing in confidence by him. Even fucking knuckle draggers like Tommy Robinson are encouraged by him. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Howay

[Howmanheyman 32718]

9 minutes ago, Howay said:

Doing what he promised during his campaign?

Like the ‘beautiful’ tax reform that was going to help the middle class and create job growth? Instead it’s burdened the middle class more as the cut from 35% to 21% for corporations created a large shortfall, this was supposed to create jobs but instead the large corporations plowed money into share buy backs. The share buy backs drives the price of stock up which means the C-suite get even bigger bonuses, essentially putting the tax windfall right into executives pockets. 

 

The ripping up of the Iran deal was a distraction from his court cases (fucking plural) since NK had cooled. He then tried his fucking best to undo the hard work of South Korea and China by simply abusing Kim Jong Un for no fucking reason. I don’t even think the Iran deal was discussed during the campaign, there was no reason other than the fact Obama happened to be the President that signed it to rip that deal up iirc it took 3 terms to get that deal done. 

 

He’s still planning on spending essentially all of the money brought in by the mandatory deemed repatriation (aka “Toll charge”) on a pointless wall. 

 

We’ll also just ignore the fact he’s a fucking embarrassment, he asked Trudeau if they had burned down the White House (that was Britain in 1812), he suggested he “might” pardon Muhammad Alli when he was already pardoned decades ago, he’s going through multiple court cases, one showing he’s Putin’s lap dog and another showing he paid off a porn star, he has started feuds with multiple American sports teams doing pathetic thinks like uninviting champions to the White House after they said they wouldn’t go, he also has said he might just give a presidential pardon to himself. 

 

I rarely feel this way but I echo Gemmils sentiment on him tbh, he’s needlessly destabilizing and causing potentially large harm to people’s lives (if you think this is hyserical just look at his stance on guns for a start). The man is poison, and regardless of if he really is some hard right racist himself (He’s definitely a racist but he’s more just greedy than being far right) there’s no doubt he is giving these people a voice and they seem to be growing in confidence by him. Even fucking knuckle draggers like Tommy Robinson are encouraged by him. 

Nobodies saying he hasn't got his flaws but at least we'll get a cracking deal from him as he loves Nigel Farage. 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

22 minutes ago, Howay said:

Doing what he promised during his campaign?

Like the ‘beautiful’ tax reform that was going to help the middle class and create job growth? Instead it’s burdened the middle class more as the cut from 35% to 21% for corporations created a large shortfall, this was supposed to create jobs but instead the large corporations plowed money into share buy backs. The share buy backs drives the price of stock up which means the C-suite get even bigger bonuses, essentially putting the tax windfall right into executives pockets. 

 

The ripping up of the Iran deal was a distraction from his court cases (fucking plural) since NK had cooled. He then tried his fucking best to undo the hard work of South Korea and China by simply abusing Kim Jong Un for no fucking reason. I don’t even think the Iran deal was discussed during the campaign, there was no reason other than the fact Obama happened to be the President that signed it to rip that deal up iirc it took 3 terms to get that deal done. 

 

He’s still planning on spending essentially all of the money brought in by the mandatory deemed repatriation (aka “Toll charge”) on a pointless wall. 

 

We’ll also just ignore the fact he’s a fucking embarrassment, he asked Trudeau if they had burned down the White House (that was Britain in 1812), he suggested he “might” pardon Muhammad Alli when he was already pardoned decades ago, he’s going through multiple court cases, one showing he’s Putin’s lap dog and another showing he paid off a porn star, he has started feuds with multiple American sports teams doing pathetic thinks like uninviting champions to the White House after they said they wouldn’t go, he also has said he might just give a presidential pardon to himself. 

 

I rarely feel this way but I echo Gemmils sentiment on him tbh, he’s needlessly destabilizing and causing potentially large harm to people’s lives (if you think this is hyserical just look at his stance on guns for a start). The man is poison, and regardless of if he really is some hard right racist himself (He’s definitely a racist but he’s more just greedy than being far right) there’s no doubt he is giving these people a voice and they seem to be growing in confidence by him. Even fucking knuckle draggers like Tommy Robinson are encouraged by him. 

Yeah, but if you look past all that, he’s doing a cracking job

[Renton 21286]

22 minutes ago, Howay said:

Doing what he promised during his campaign?

Like the ‘beautiful’ tax reform that was going to help the middle class and create job growth? Instead it’s burdened the middle class more as the cut from 35% to 21% for corporations created a large shortfall, this was supposed to create jobs but instead the large corporations plowed money into share buy backs. The share buy backs drives the price of stock up which means the C-suite get even bigger bonuses, essentially putting the tax windfall right into executives pockets. 

 

The ripping up of the Iran deal was a distraction from his court cases (fucking plural) since NK had cooled. He then tried his fucking best to undo the hard work of South Korea and China by simply abusing Kim Jong Un for no fucking reason. I don’t even think the Iran deal was discussed during the campaign, there was no reason other than the fact Obama happened to be the President that signed it to rip that deal up iirc it took 3 terms to get that deal done. 

 

He’s still planning on spending essentially all of the money brought in by the mandatory deemed repatriation (aka “Toll charge”) on a pointless wall. 

 

We’ll also just ignore the fact he’s a fucking embarrassment, he asked Trudeau if they had burned down the White House (that was Britain in 1812), he suggested he “might” pardon Muhammad Alli when he was already pardoned decades ago, he’s going through multiple court cases, one showing he’s Putin’s lap dog and another showing he paid off a porn star, he has started feuds with multiple American sports teams doing pathetic thinks like uninviting champions to the White House after they said they wouldn’t go, he also has said he might just give a presidential pardon to himself. 

 

I rarely feel this way but I echo Gemmils sentiment on him tbh, he’s needlessly destabilizing and causing potentially large harm to people’s lives (if you think this is hyserical just look at his stance on guns for a start). The man is poison, and regardless of if he really is some hard right racist himself (He’s definitely a racist but he’s more just greedy than being far right) there’s no doubt he is giving these people a voice and they seem to be growing in confidence by him. Even fucking knuckle draggers like Tommy Robinson are encouraged by him. 

 

It'll be interesting if tubs responds other than with a cut and paste wum riposte from whatever knacker right wing blog/forum he reads.

 

Trump is a seriously destabilising influence on the entire western world, as that picture brilliantly illustrates. And we still have idiots like CT applauding him like a trained seal (the marine mammal kind), even though it is the UK that is going to get fucked over more than just about anyone else. 

[Howay 12496]

9 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

It'll be interesting if tubs responds other than with a cut and paste wum riposte from whatever knacker right wing blog/forum he reads.

 

Trump is a seriously destabilising influence on the entire western world, as that picture brilliantly illustrates. And we still have idiots like CT applauding him like a trained seal (the marine mammal kind), even though it is the UK that is going to get fucked over more than just about anyone else. 

Aye, even if he could potentially be good for the UK (as you’ve pointed out a few times he won’t be but just suspend that for a minute) he’s shown himself to be completely erratic and unpredictable on numerous occasions in just one year so tying the cart to him is fucking mental. Even if there was some brilliant deal that worked for both sides there’s always the potential for him to just rip it up at the last moment because someone from the UK had a pop at him, no doubt done by tweet “People should learn their MANNERS deal was rotten I say NO”.

To push the EU away due to its flaws in favour of Donald Trump is mental, completely fucking mental. How do people possibly think he could be good for the UK? He’s clearly cosying up to Putin at a time Putin is becoming more assertive and aggressive towards the UK than before, that alone should show he can’t be relied upon. 

 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Howay

[Christmas Tree 4685]

Guess that’s a no

[Renton 21286]

11 minutes ago, Howay said:

Aye, even if he could potentially be good for the UK (as you’ve pointed out a few times he won’t be but just suspend that for a minute) he’s shown himself to be completely erratic and unpredictable on numerous occasions in just one year so tying the cart to him is fucking mental. Even if there was some brilliant deal that worked for both sides there’s always the potential for him to just rip it up at the last moment because someone from the UK had a pop at him, no doubt done by tweet “People should learn their MANNERS deal was rotten I say NO”.

To push the EU away due to its flaws in favour of Donald Trump is mental, completely fucking mental. How do people possibly think he could be good for the UK? He’s clearly cosying up to Putin at a time Putin is becoming more assertive and aggressive towards the UK than before, that alone should show he can’t be relied upon. 

 

 

It's really just because a sizable proportion of the English people have the following traits:

They're completely ignorant about domestic and international politics (and anyone who doesn't share their beliefs is labelled the liberal elite).

And/or they are idiotically stubborn.

 

I don't know if this is an inherent flaw in the Anglo Saxon make up (as we see it in wasp yanks too), but suspect there all sorts of recent historical reasons for it too. Dare I say it for Rayvin's sake the advent of neoliberal capitalism and rejection of solidarity.

[Renton 21286]

3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Guess that’s a no

 

Hoy, get back to Poldark. 

[Howay 12496]

25 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Guess that’s a no

Nothing I said is hysteria. 

He pushes through things with no regard for the implications and often on a whim. For example, the tax reform in the US was written and pushed through the houses in about 3 months, so quickly in fact it still had hand written edits and gave the opposition mere hours to read it (does that seem like something a rational and good leader would do?). The thing is so badly written we have been reeling ever since. The US gives a foreign tax credit for foreign taxes paid on foreign sourced income to avoid double taxation. You bucket your income based on the type of income it is and match the foreign tax credits generated to the bucket based on the tax law. Trump and his band of idiots came up with a new tax called GILTI (  I’m not kidding here) and in their rush to write the new code wrote that GILTI income is its own bucket but the credit that comes with the income goes in the general bucket, this completely contradicts the general rule for no reason whatsoever, creates a needless issue and gave companies massive headaches to the point the IRS has came out and essentially said bucket the credit with the GILTI income and we won’t disagree with the treatment. It’s this sort of haphazard inattention to detail that ripples through his regime. 

 

Simply calling people hysterical doesn’t score you any points, you asked for a reasoned discussion I gave you plenty of points to discuss and you gave that ridiculous retort. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Howay

[Andrew 4718]

and who on here has bought into it hook, line and sinker?

 

[Andrew 4718]

1 hour ago, Howay said:

Nothing I said is hysteria. 

He pushes through things with no regard for the implications and often on a whim. For example, the tax reform in the US was written and pushed through the houses in about 3 months, so quickly in fact it still had hand written edits and gave the opposition mere hours to read it (does that seem like something a rational and good leader would do?). The thing is so badly written we have been reeling ever since. The US gives a foreign tax credit for foreign taxes paid on foreign sourced income to avoid double taxation. You bucket your income based on the type of income it is and match the foreign tax credits generated to the bucket based on the tax law. Trump and his band of idiots came up with a new tax called GILTI (  I’m not kidding here) and in their rush to write the new code wrote that GILTI income is its own bucket but the credit that comes with the income goes in the general bucket, this completely contradicts the general rule for no reason whatsoever, creates a needless issue and gave companies massive headaches to the point the IRS has came out and essentially said bucket the credit with the GILTI income and we won’t disagree with the treatment. It’s this sort of haphazard inattention to detail that ripples through his regime. 

 

Simply calling people hysterical doesn’t score you any points, you asked for a reasoned discussion I gave you plenty of points to discuss and you gave that ridiculous retort. 

Aye but if he prefaces any I’ll thought out shite with “disagreeing with me makes

you hysterical” then he can’t lose can he? 

[NJS 4371]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

 

It's really just because a sizable proportion of the English people have the following traits:

They're completely ignorant about domestic and international politics (and anyone who doesn't share their beliefs is labelled the liberal elite).

And/or they are idiotically stubborn.

 

I don't know if this is an inherent flaw in the Anglo Saxon make up (as we see it in wasp yanks too), but suspect there all sorts of recent historical reasons for it too. Dare I say it for Rayvin's sake the advent of neoliberal capitalism and rejection of solidarity.

The decline of trade unionism is a factor in this and very deliberate. 

 

Thatcher knew any kind of solidarity based political body had to be eradicated to forward her ideas and the establishment relished its destruction. 

 

That's why they fear Momentum so much even if its small scale in comparison. 

[Alex 34827]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

Contrary Tree is a Trump fan, I never saw that coming.

Same old story with him - he either is or he’s pretending to be to wind people up. Either way....

[Alex 34827]

2 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

Guess that’s a no

You showed him, didn’t ya? He’ll wish he never took on such an intellectual heavyweight who was also so well informed 

[Gemmill 44357]

 

[Christmas Tree 4685]

9 hours ago, Howay said:

Nothing I said is hysteria. 

He pushes through things with no regard for the implications and often on a whim. For example, the tax reform in the US was written and pushed through the houses in about 3 months, so quickly in fact it still had hand written edits and gave the opposition mere hours to read it (does that seem like something a rational and good leader would do?). The thing is so badly written we have been reeling ever since. The US gives a foreign tax credit for foreign taxes paid on foreign sourced income to avoid double taxation. You bucket your income based on the type of income it is and match the foreign tax credits generated to the bucket based on the tax law. Trump and his band of idiots came up with a new tax called GILTI (  I’m not kidding here) and in their rush to write the new code wrote that GILTI income is its own bucket but the credit that comes with the income goes in the general bucket, this completely contradicts the general rule for no reason whatsoever, creates a needless issue and gave companies massive headaches to the point the IRS has came out and essentially said bucket the credit with the GILTI income and we won’t disagree with the treatment. It’s this sort of haphazard inattention to detail that ripples through his regime. 

 

Simply calling people hysterical doesn’t score you any points, you asked for a reasoned discussion I gave you plenty of points to discuss and you gave that ridiculous retort. 

 

Sorry, it wasn’t directed at you

 

I thought Renton etc could contain themselves but alas no. I thought prefacing my remarks with not liking the man or that he’s bad for the U.K. would save the Trump fan routine but alas no

 

Im sure you see better than most the domestic situation, however with regard to China, NAFTA, EU trade, Iran and N Korea, it appears that he is addressing a lot of issues that previous presidents have avoided. Obviously time will tell how they play out.

[Renton 21286]

1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Sorry, it wasn’t directed at you

 

I thought Renton etc could contain themselves but alas no. I thought prefacing my remarks with not liking the man or that he’s bad for the U.K. would save the Trump fan routine but alas no

 

Im sure you see better than most the domestic situation, however with regard to China, NAFTA, EU trade, Iran and N Korea, it appears that he is addressing a lot of issues that previous presidents have avoided. Obviously time will tell how they play out.

 

What issues have other presidents avoided regarding EU trade? What benefits for the US do you think Trump will achieve by starting a trade war with his closest allies? Do you support his reneging on the summit because of a perceived slight from Trudea's tweet (Edit: it wasn't even a tweet, just a comment at a press conference)? Continue with your wummery by all means, it just makes you look like a massive tit. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Renton

[ewerk 30253]

9 hours ago, Andrew said:

and who on here has bought into it hook, line and sinker?

 

TBF I can't see Trump easing sanctions without a properly negotiated deal. Yes, the way these negotiations have started is arse about face but he can't give anything away in a two hour meeting surely?

[Renton 21286]

21 minutes ago, ewerk said:

TBF I can't see Trump easing sanctions without a properly negotiated deal. Yes, the way these negotiations have started is arse about face but he can't give anything away in a two hour meeting surely?

 

Why would Kim trust him on any deal? He signed one at G7 and reneged literally just hours later because of a throwaway comment. And then there is the bizarre sycophancy of his staff, saying there is a special place in hell for Trudeau. Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a lot of trust initially to pull this off. Would you trust Trump?