Rayvin 5223 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 The US has the best tech. That might count for everything in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30619 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I'm not sure if Trump's ever said he would cut the military or stop the interventionist policy. He has said several times that he would be pursuing a less interventionist policy. Which makes his statements on strengthening defence a bit strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 He has said several times that he would be pursuing a less interventionist policy. Which makes his statements on strengthening defence a bit strange. Be interested in his wording on those promises. Like I went on to say, I know he's moaned about the cost and suggested the occupied territories should pay for the pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Be interested in his wording on those promises. Like I went on to say, I know he's moaned about the cost and suggested the occupied territories should pay for the pleasure. What difference does it make what wording he's used? He continually contradicts himself and talks utter shit. I'm surprised you haven't noticed this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 He's governed as he campaigned more than any president I remember. His words are important because being accurate about the least informed president ever is pivotal when his entire position is that opponents misrepresent the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 His military proposals from the campaign sound expensive... https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/fact-sheet-key-policies-proposed-in-mr.-trumps-military-preparedness-speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 51% in NBC poll say media have been unfair on Trump. Only 41% view coverage as objective. 86% feel career politicians have reaped the benefits of the status quo at the cost of the people. 53% believe the dangers of a Trump presidency are exaggerated because elites feel threatened by the change he represents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30619 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Be interested in his wording on those promises. Like I went on to say, I know he's moaned about the cost and suggested the occupied territories should pay for the pleasure. "We will stop racing to topple" foreign governments "that we know nothing about," he recently told a crowd in Fayetteville, N.C. "We're guided by the lessons of history and a desire to promote stability — stability all over — and strength in our land. This destructive cycle of intervention and chaos must finally, folks, come to an end." “We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer,” “We will build up our military not as an act of aggression, but as an act of prevention,” he said. “In short we seek peace through strength.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 51% in NBC poll say media have been unfair on Trump. Only 41% view coverage as objective. 86% feel career politicians have reaped the benefits of the status quo at the cost of the people. 53% believe the dangers of a Trump presidency are exaggerated because elites feel threatened by the change he represents. Way to go MSM. Clearly winning the battle here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Cheers, bit of both then. Promised to spend more while not ploughing into more countries than currently being juggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30619 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Seems a bit like that fella off the West Wing said, "Republicans want a huge military but they don't want to send it anywhere. The Democrats wants a small military and they want to send it everywhere." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Way to go MSM. Clearly winning the battle here... Yo be fair to the "MSM", at least 60% of Americans are morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 He's now said Obama is behind the leaks and protests. Certifiable or very clever at pandering to morons. Or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Yo be fair to the "MSM", at least 60% of Americans are morons I don't trust the MSM and I'm not in the same intelligence bracket as most of the people who voted for Trump. They really are losing the battle here, and it's because they're trying to direct public opinion rather than report it. I've seen them lie several times about Trump (usually by omission) and while you've attempted to defend them each time, I remain unconvinced. They are, as far as I can see, acting like the opposition party. Why they feel this is their place in the whole matter is entirely beyond me, as the more they do it, the more Trump can characterise them as the enemy. Turkeys and christmas come to mind. Edited February 28, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 He's now said Obama is behind the leaks and protests. Certifiable or very clever at pandering to morons. Or both. I genuinely think he believes this stuff. Or rather, someone on his team will tell him this and he won't challenge it. Willful ignorance presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The question is how can the MSM report on that ignorance in a way that doesn't seem like they're trying to direct the debate. It's hard being fair and balanced when you're reporting on someone who's unfair and imbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I can't really be arsed to continue the debate about "they", as if the MSM is one collective entity. All I know is the business I work in has very little to do with the crap you're posting, Rayvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I can't really be arsed to continue the debate about "they", as if the MSM is one collective entity. We Are The Borg. You Will Be Assimilated And Reduced To A Handy Acronym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I don't trust the MSM and I'm not in the same intelligence bracket as most of the people who voted for Trump. They really are losing the battle here, and it's because they're trying to direct public opinion rather than report it. I've seen them lie several times about Trump (usually by omission) and while you've attempted to defend them each time, I remain unconvinced. They are, as far as I can see, acting like the opposition party. Why they feel this is their place in the whole matter is entirely beyond me, as the more they do it, the more Trump can characterise them as the enemy. Turkeys and christmas come to mind. Okay then, give some clear examples of when this has happened. I'm not talking about editorials it opinion pieces, which are obviously subjective, I'm talking about factual copy in a quality broadsheet or media source such as the BBC. There us however an obvious source of fake news which, like the American morons, appears to have you suckered up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I can't really be arsed to continue the debate about "they", as if the MSM is one collective entity. All I know is the business I work in has very little to do with the crap you're posting, Rayvin. It reminds me of Parky where he patently doesn't understand the scientific method. When you work in that field, it's canny frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 That's because you think I'm inferring some kind of conspiracy. As I've said before, it's about ideology. And look, you don't have to take my word for it apparently. The polls support the view that the MSM has lost touch in general - at some point, there will have to be a shift in how the media operates which will address this, or they will very literally become obsolete. They allowed themselves to become a collective because almost all of them went for Trump. So he bundled them together, they all perpetuated their own overreactions and shitstorms, and thus they all came together into one collective entity. I would say this was the case but more subtle before Trump (collective in the sense of ideological alignment in a broad sense), but it looks more extreme since him. Trump is outside of their Overton window. That's the issue IMO. The question is how can the MSM report on that ignorance in a way that doesn't seem like they're trying to direct the debate. It's hard being fair and balanced when you're reporting on someone who's unfair and imbalanced. They don't have to report on the ignorance. They have to do things such as give historical context behind some of the decisions made by Trump (i.e. Obama laid the groundwork, or this has happened in the past and is nothing new, etc). They haven't done that. They've treated each action as if it were a new 'assault' on their ideological beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 We Are The Borg. You Will Be Assimilated And Reduced To A Handy Acronym. MSM is an abbreviation, not an acronym, silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Okay then, give some clear examples of when this has happened. I'm not talking about editorials it opinion pieces, which are obviously subjective, I'm talking about factual copy in a quality broadsheet or media source such as the BBC. There us however an obvious source of fake news which, like the American morons, appears to have you suckered up as well. There is literally no point in me doing this. I've flagged it up multiple times in this thread already in the past few weeks. HF has done the same for different issues. You guys don't want to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 There is literally no point in me doing this. I've flagged it up multiple times in this thread already in the past few weeks. HF has done the same for different issues. You guys don't want to hear it. Really? Multiple examples of fake news made by quality media organisations? Go on, humour me. Hit me with the best example of the fakiest news they have disseminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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