ewerk 30620 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Boris reassured British Muslims from the dispatch box in the House of Commons that this wouldn't happen when the executive order came in. It's been suspended by two levels of the US judiciary system. This is pretty worrying to be honest. What group will they pick on next?... It's absolutely nothing to do with the ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I doubt that it was purely because he was a muslim. It's possible that someone else with the same name was on a no fly list and they were taking no chances. This is nothing new and certainly not Trump related. Edit: Though the 'random' security check was probably racially motivated. As far as I can make out its been mostly individual airlines that have removed Muslims from mainland US and UK flights after "complaints" by other passengers or concerns raised by airline staff once in the plane, such as: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/08/muslim-woman-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-islamophobia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3755953/Three-British-siblings-kicked-easyJet-flight-fellow-passengers-said-d-seen-reading-ISIS-material-despite-none-able-speak-read-write-Arabic.html This lad didn't get beyond passport control. In Iceland. The article doesn't say who made the call, was it airline or did US immigration get in touch having received the passenger list? May be a coincidence, no fly list, yeah. Hopefully we'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It will almost certainly have been immigration. Though you do wonder why he was granted an ESTA in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 No , just a horrible racist that companies are within their rights to disassociate from You're seeing coordinated attacks by the "status quo" or the " mainstream media " at every turn. Milo is just a cunt, and his accumulated twattery leaves him with fewer platforms to spout his nonsense. I'm just having a bit of a hard time wondering why an video produced a month ago without anything being said, is now suddenly being circulated with everyone being outraged about it. Why now? Why not the outrage when it came out? Presumably because someone has been looking for something to get him on. Have now watched the original video. His argument is that while we have a line for where the age of consent is, that he says is 'about right' (this bit curiously not included in the reporting), some people of a younger age will be able to give consent due to being mature enough already. This is a stupid comment to make for one thing because even at the age of 16, I would argue most people aren't mature enough to make an informed decision surrounding consent, and especially not when an older adult is involved. But then, he was sexually abused at the age of 14, and the video sounds quite a bit like he's trying to assert some agency over what happened to him. It doesn't sound so much like he's advocating for anything, it sounds more like he's defending his own mental image of himself and trying to set out that he was not a victim. Probably because he doesn't want to be a victim. Not that this makes his comments correct, but I feel that particular aspect of context should be included in our assessment of this - and it hasn't been. Why? The guy is a total arse and a massive distraction from some of the actually quite important issues that are going on at the moment though; I find his argument that he can't be racist because he only sleeps with black men to be absurd, I find his claims that he is Jewish and therefore can't be anti-semitic to be... well, convenient to say the least. Even if it's true. He uses various forms of identities under different 'protected groups' as he sees them, to make him more immune than many others would be in his position. Many of the arguments he makes are uncited (not a rare thing on either side of the debates he gets into) and I genuinely think he's more interested in attention than he is in actually advocating anything he claims to stand for. But yes, I guess I see shadows everywhere when it comes to the media, and it bothers me that they haven't fully reported the context behind this. By 'bothers me' I mean 'it fully supports my view of them'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's absolutely nothing to do with the ban. Do you think it would have happened pre-ban then? The thing here I guess would be if any other Muslims from the UK have managed to enter the US. If they have, then we can conclude that this is an individual case with nuances specific to it and not the whole group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Do you think it would have happened pre-ban then? The thing here I guess would be if any other Muslims from the UK have managed to enter the US. If they have, then we can conclude that this is an individual case with nuances specific to it and not the whole group. Yes it happened plenty pre-ban. Completely innocent people were put on the no-fly list and were never told why and found it next to impossible to get off it. Edited February 21, 2017 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hang on then, so why is the Guardian running this as if it's related to the travel ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yes it happened plenty pre-ban. Completely innocent people were put on the no-fly list and were never told why and found it next to impossible to get off it. I'd hardly call being Irish "completely innocent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The yanks loved our brand of terrorism. They helped pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The yanks loved our brand of terrorism. They helped pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Anyone remember the rumour (in Bobby McFerrin killed himself territory) that all McDonald's employees had to make a contribution from their wages to the IRA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Styx takes Milo down with common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Anyone remember the rumour (in Bobby McFerrin killed himself territory) that all McDonald's employees had to make a contribution from their wages to the IRA? Yeah, I do. They were rumoured to be Canadian Irish iirc. I also know that the local McDonalds was trashed the night after the IRA bombed the Royal Marines band at Deal. Lad I was at school with was supposed to be on parade that morning but swapped with another bandsman. Don't think the other lad was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yes it happened plenty pre-ban. Completely innocent people were put on the no-fly list and were never told why and found it next to impossible to get off it. Thing is he must have applied for his visa well before the executive order came in. That's what's getting me. He wouldn't get a visa if he shared a name with someone on the no fly list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Thing is he must have applied for his visa well before the executive order came in. That's what's getting me. He wouldn't get a visa if he shared a name with someone on the no fly list. Is that the point that it would previously have been blocked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Thing is he must have applied for his visa well before the executive order came in. That's what's getting me. He wouldn't get a visa if he shared a name with someone on the no fly list. It would have been an ESTA he applied for rather than a visa and it could have been up to two years previous that he applied. He may have been banned for terrorism or it may be that someone with similar details was convicted or a crime or overstayed in the country and that precluded him from visiting. Without knowing the full details it impossible to know exactly why he wasn't allowed into the country but this certainly appears to have been an isolated incident rather than an attempt to ban British muslims from USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It would have been an ESTA he applied for rather than a visa and it could have been up to two years previous that he applied. He may have been banned for terrorism or it may be that someone with similar details was convicted or a crime or overstayed in the country and that precluded him from visiting. Without knowing the full details it impossible to know exactly why he wasn't allowed into the country but this certainly appears to have been an isolated incident rather than an attempt to ban British muslims from USA. I agree with most of what your saying tbh, apart from your conclusion because as you say we just don't know now we're living in a world where Trump is trying to stop Muslims from travelling to the US in general as he stated in his election campaign. If he was travelling on an ESTA, they're granted via email and costs 14 dollars. It doesn't grant you entry to the US, just flags up your plans. He was profiled by a US official on the presentation of his passport, searched, then allowed to get on the flight. Then removed from the flight after a phone call from the US . Up until the call from the states it's as you say but that's if he was travelling on an ESTA, but the article specifically says he was travelling on a visa. If he's travelling on a visa he's been checked against the no fly list months ago, and it would seem incredible to me if he wasn't when he applied for an ETSA. As you say it's unknowable, but it stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I agree with most of what your saying tbh, apart from your conclusion because as you say we just don't know now we're living in a world where Trump is trying to stop Muslims from travelling to the US in general as he stated in his election campaign. If he was travelling on an ESTA, they're granted via email and costs 14 dollars. It doesn't grant you entry to the US, just flags up your plans. He was profiled by a US official on the presentation of his passport, searched, then allowed to get on the flight. Then removed from the flight after a phone call from the US . Up until the call from the states it's as you say but that's if he was travelling on an ESTA, but the article specifically says he was travelling on a visa. If he's travelling on a visa he's been checked against the no fly list months ago, and it would seem incredible to me if he wasn't when he applied for an ETSA. As you say it's unknowable, but it stinks. The details are sketchy. Why would he require a visa? He wasn't there to work so I assume an ESTA would be sufficient for him to gain entry. Also, who was this American official? Iceland has no pre-clearance facility so presumably is staffed by local workers. In the absence of any further similar tales then I don't think it's unfair to say that this is a fairly isolated and random incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The details are sketchy. Why would he require a visa? He wasn't there to work so I assume an ESTA would be sufficient for him to gain entry. Also, who was this American official? Iceland has no pre-clearance facility so presumably is staffed by local workers. In the absence of any further similar tales then I don't think it's unfair to say that this is a fairly isolated and random incident. 5live have suggested it was a US department of homeland security official. Wonded wtf they're doing in Iceland nosing around civilian flights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 5live have suggested it was a US department of homeland security official. Wonded wtf they're doing in Iceland nosing around civilian flights? Looking for Bjorks talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Looking for Bjorks talent. she's mint iyam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 You can all come up with your own punchlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Holy Christ! Her Avatar neck is really bad there. She'd need 2 scarves if it was cold. Still would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2967 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 46 protesters arrested at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 And so the media censorship continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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