Andrew 4771 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The left and the right all deserve to be punched, a colossal set of hypocrites and morons on both sides. I fucking hate the term SJW as well so that can fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30630 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The left and the right all deserve to be punched, a colossal set of hypocrites and morons on both sides. I fucking hate the term SJW as well so that can fuck off. The centre could do with a good kicking too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 It's not really just different views. He's a nazi. That's a good enough excuse for punching people in most situations. I'm not sure it is. One of the key successes of civilised society is the ability to discuss and debate issues using words and not fists. We can reject extremist views based on their own merits or lack thereof. Throwing punches just leads to a like for like escalation. What if that punch motivates some right wing nutjob to attack someone else? Is it still worth it then? Moreover, resorting to physical violence just demonstrates that you lack the mental fortitude to actually tackle the arguments being put forward. The alarming thing about much of this is how so many on the 'left' have absolutely no counter argument to the absolute bullshit being spewed by the Trumpists and the Brexiters. Because the only real counter argument that would work, in my honest opinion, would see they themselves lose out. i.e. they would have to talk about economic progress, not fucking political and social progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The left and the right all deserve to be punched, a colossal set of hypocrites and morons on both sides. I fucking hate the term SJW as well so that can fuck off. I'll call them regressives from now on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 If the 'left' can be portrayed as violent, burning things in the street, vandalising property, and assaulting people (all of which happened in these marches) - you know exactly how that'll come across, don't you? It'll be a one size fits all blanket statement about violent protesters. Greater controls will be implemented, harsher punishments, etc. I dunno who that guy is, but he didn't deserve to be punched in the head for having different views. If we're legitimising the left doing it, we have to be prepared for the right to give their blessing to counter actions. And FWIW, they're the ones with fucking guns. It does at least reveal SJWs for the hypocrites they are, though. Suppression of free speech by physical violence, that would be. How fucking depressing to see. The left needs rid of these people and fucking quickly. Making a lot of assumptions about the bloke's politics there. Also, a complete cunt got punched in the face. Diddums tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Making a lot of assumptions about the bloke's politics there. Also, a complete cunt got punched in the face. Diddums tbh You're totally right in the first part, I am. What other alternatives are there, though? He could have just been mentally unstable I guess? As for the second part, see my last post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 You're totally right in the first part, I am. What other alternatives are there, though? He could have just been mentally unstable I guess? As for the second part, see my last post. I'm not an advocate of solving problems through violence but I'm also of the school of thought that you shouldn't really say shit you wouldn't say to someone's face. There's consequences for his publicly making his views clear. He's an advocate of kicking non-whites out of America. Because that's going to play out peacefully. I don't really want to get into an argument where I'm advocating violence but this is absolutely fuck all tbh given the type of person he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I might add Trump's the same stamp. Basically encouraging violence but would fucking shit himself if he found himself in a situation without all his security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) I'm not an advocate of solving problems through violence but I'm also of the school of thought that you shouldn't really say shit you wouldn't say to someone's face. There's consequences for his publicly making his views clear. He's an advocate of kicking non-whites out of America. Because that's going to play out peacefully. I don't really want to get into an argument where I'm advocating violence but this is absolutely fuck all tbh given the type of person he is. He's an advocate for it but stands utterly no chance of ever realising it. The bigger problem is that he's (apparently, having now done some reading) a prominent figure in a movement of fuckwits who I would imagine are very capable of looking at this and thinking that it might be 'open season' for such actions. Resorting to and revelling in physical violence surrenders the moral highground and really, just makes us look weak. Like we don't believe in our ideas. In my view at least. Not disagreeing with anything else you've said. The man is a cunt. Am concerned that he's the 'acceptable' figurehead of far worse people though. EDIT - The Observer makes the same case: http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/ Edited January 25, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4389 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 You're too much of an ideallist, Rayvin regarding violence - I'm quite proud of the fact that when Moseley's fascists tried to march in S. Shields in the 30s, they had the shit kicked out of them by a union led mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Communism has killed more people innit. Many many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) You're too much of an ideallist, Rayvin regarding violence - I'm quite proud of the fact that when Moseley's fascists tried to march in S. Shields in the 30s, they had the shit kicked out of them by a union led mob. You don't think the guys who were subjected to that beating wouldn't have taken it out on others, further down the line, in pursuit of their political goals or damaged egos? Maybe they didn't, maybe they were cowed for good. There's a time and a place for violence I would say, but only when the political structures for legitimately challenging power have been destroyed or made irrelevant. We're not there yet. I worry that actions such as this take us a step closer to it, though. Especially since this isn't an isolated incident. Edited January 25, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21939 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Never heard of the prick. remember the "heil trump" address given to white supremacists right after trump won? that's him. apparently his other claim to fame is coining the phrase "alt right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21939 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The left and the right all deserve to be punched, a colossal set of hypocrites and morons on both sides. I fucking hate the term SJW as well so that can fuck off. snowflake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21939 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) he's so wound up by people pointing out that hillary won the popular vote by 3m, that he's going to launch an inquiry into voter fraud - despite there being no evidence behind his claims that people registered as dead or illegal immigrants somehow voted. Edited January 25, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21939 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 and you have to almost feel sorry for his press officer who he sent in front of the media to argue the case that trump's inauguration crowds were as big as obama's in 2009, when it's clear to anyone who has seen the two photos that obama drew way more people. the bigger question is why is so bothered by these non issues. it's completely bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4389 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 and you have to almost feel sorry for his press officer who he sent in front of the media to argue the case that trump's inauguration crowds were as big as obama's in 2009, when it's clear to anyone who has seen the two photos that obama drew way more people. the bigger question is why is so bothered by these non issues. it's completely bizarre. He's just a spoilt, petulant brat above all else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21939 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 [tweet] [/tweet] you're welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 so he's so wound up by people pointing out that hillary wont he popular vote by 3m, that he's going to launch an inquiry into voter fraud - despite there being no evidence behind his claims that people registered as dead or illegal immigrants somehow voted. For a bloke that spoke so much about government wasting money he is going to be spending a fair whack on inquiries that have very simple, and known, answers. Between the one you're on about and the inquiry into a link between Autism and vaccines that's money that would be being put to better use if he just hoyed it out of a window. I'm not even sure why this anti-vaccer movement is so driven, even if there was a link (which there absolutely is not, the bloke that linked it was stripped of his medical license back in the 1920's iirc) you have to ask yourself what the cost v gain is. We don't have horrific diseases like Polio in western countries anymore because we have this understanding of vaccines, so if for some impossible reason a small percentage of the population developed autism from it wouldn't that price be worth paying? Obviously we know there is no link whatsoever but it further shows what a fucking waste of time looking into it is when even if a link was found we'd likely carry on administering them unless of course we all want to be riddled with Polio, Mumps, German Measles etc. I honestly think the bloke is going to crack tbh, he is so thin skinned it's almost painful to watch how he clings onto these ridiculously petty things. I mean arguing about fucking crowd sizes when there is completely unbiased evidence that he's simply wrong, why pursue it? who fucking cares? It's as NJS says he's just a spoilt, petulant brat who is used to having everyone just tell him he's right, usually because they want his money or him to lend them a favour. He's now in a position where everything he does is going to have people telling him he is wrong, and he's a moron, I'm not sure how he is going to take that for 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30630 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 It's going to be brilliant when the inquiry comes back with no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 and you have to almost feel sorry for his press officer who he sent in front of the media to argue the case that trump's inauguration crowds were as big as obama's in 2009, when it's clear to anyone who has seen the two photos that obama drew way more people. the bigger question is why is so bothered by these non issues. it's completely bizarre. There's a danger in piling in on Trump over such things in my mind. It's made me cringe a bit at the left tbh. The current default is to hammer him for anything and everything. So the first black american democratic president being inaugurated in a clear majority democratic state with better celebrities performing more popular songs drew a bigger crowd than another elderly white Rebublican whose entire persona is built on winning votes from Middle America. I'd expect nothing else. There's hardly many Duck Dynasty viewers going to fly in for it is there? His supporters are only assured of his claims that the media are dishonest when they spend time on such nonsense. I think that is why he forces these issues to the top of the agenda. Those focusing on it are walking right into the trap and it's a vicious circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 There's a danger in piling in on Trump over such things in my mind. It's made me cringe a bit at the left tbh. The current default is to hammer him for anything and everything. So the first black american democratic president being inaugurated in a clear majority democratic state with better celebrities performing more popular songs drew a bigger crowd than another elderly white Rebublican whose entire persona is built on winning votes from Middle America. I'd expect nothing else. There's hardly many Duck Dynasty viewers going to fly in for it is there? His supporters are only assured of his claims that the media are dishonest when they spend time on such nonsense. I think that is why he forces these issues to the top of the agenda. Those focusing on it are walking right into the trap and it's a vicious circle. Yep. We're taking small petty victories over the need to play an active part in the real battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Although tbf, I still can't get my head around the idea that no one has banned him from Twitter yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7033 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Ordinarily I wouldn't advocate using violence in politics. But lots of people have tried and failed to have any sort of sensible conversation with Trump or his supporters and ironically violence seems to be the only thing a lot of them understand. They are happy to nuke the Middle East for their religious beliefs but there's hell on when a neo nazi gets a slap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Trump won get over it you lot. Jeez! He's nixing Nafta and TTIP what more do you want? Edited January 25, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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