Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) there'll be a few more from the looney side of things. like his rhetoric since election night, it'll be a mixed bag of establishment and the eccentric. i don't think anyone will really know what his presidency will look like till he gets in the oval office. even then, he'll probably keep us guessing for four years. for every move where he starts to look a little statesman-like, there'll be another pussy grab or joke at the expense of the disabled around the corner. Edited November 22, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 At least we'll know what he's about though. That might actually be a first in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 how, exactly? i don't think even trump believes half the shite he comes out with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15529 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 for every move where he starts to look a little statesman-like, there'll be another pussy grab or joke at the expense of the disabled around the corner. They've basically elected Mike Ashley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 how, exactly? i don't think even trump believes half the shite he comes out with Actually, yeah. You're probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2966 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 he isn't doing a single thing by the book. his presidency is going to be as entertaining as it is terrifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 So he has disavowed the alt-right. Let's watch them get proper crazy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) He really had to disavow that lot 'hailing' him now he's won, I think he let ones like the KKK slide without proper disavowing because he didn't want to lose their votes. I think he'll start to push that extreme fringe away now before letting down the less extreme Alt-right lot. About that group saying "hail Trump" and throwing up Nazi salutes, do they genuinely believe that shite? I know they're white supremacists but I just find it very hard to believe that people in this day and age can have any sort of affection for the Nazi regime and what it did, especially when you consider your countries troops died fighting that regime not exactly "supportin' the troops" like they always drone on about. They're basically the poster boy for bad guys, so right from the off you're saying you're a bad guy . Edited November 22, 2016 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I don't think that's a good thing. This means that he clearly doesn't believe that Bannon is the alt-right. Which means everything Bannon believes is still on the table. All he's effectively doing here is de-toxifying the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I don't think that's a good thing. This means that he clearly doesn't believe that Bannon is the alt-right. Which means everything Bannon believes is still on the table. All he's effectively doing here is de-toxifying the guy. It wasn't the Alt-right as a whole, it was specific to that group that were nazi saluting and yelling 'hail Trump'. Whatever Bannon is he's not a part of that extreme type imo. As for whatever Bannon believes being on the table I think him and Trump are probably on a similar page in that regard, I don't see him as the type that will bring too many on that aren't of a similar mindset in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Maybe, but Brietbart has started criticising Trump now for broken promises... A lot of people in the comment sections under those articles sound pretty pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Is that to do with the Hillary stuff? I mean this type of frustration was bound to happen as he was never going to do some of the crackers stuff he was talking about, most politicians are bullshitting about what they will do but I think the difference this time is these people really believed it and some of it was stuff that could be done quite quickly (like saying you would be appointing someone to look into Clinton), whereas normally politicians lie about stuff like closing Guantanamo, pulling out of Iraq, infrastructure improvements etc that take fucking years to do anything about and people aren't as massively vested in/it's harder to track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 'The Holocaust did not begin with killings: it began with words,' says museum, calling on leadership to confront racism after alt-right pro-Trump event. http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.754493 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Is that to do with the Hillary stuff? I mean this type of frustration was bound to happen as he was never going to do some of the crackers stuff he was talking about, most politicians are bullshitting about what they will do but I think the difference this time is these people really believed it and some of it was stuff that could be done quite quickly (like saying you would be appointing someone to look into Clinton), whereas normally politicians lie about stuff like closing Guantanamo, pulling out of Iraq, infrastructure improvements etc that take fucking years to do anything about and people aren't as massively vested in/it's harder to track. Aye it is. Clinton in particular but the general change in his rhetoric hasn't gone unnoticed. It'll be interesting to see where this ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 'The Holocaust did not begin with killings: it began with words,' says museum, calling on leadership to confront racism after alt-right pro-Trump event. http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.754493 Fair, although we're nowhere near nazism returning to power on the evidence so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Aye it is. Clinton in particular but the general change in his rhetoric hasn't gone unnoticed. It'll be interesting to see where this ends up. Aye I can't see them being too happy and the unintended consequence to giving them this voice in his rise to power is they now have a voice against him (to a degree, what they can actually do is probably negligible mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 He reckons his son in law is the man to sort out the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 He reckons his son in law is the man to sort out the Middle East. Kushner? Aye I'm sure that region will be over the moon to have a Jewish lad from America telling them what to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Fair, although we're nowhere near nazism returning to power on the evidence so far. No, but these fuckers clearly feel emboldened by Trump in the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 He reckons his son in law is the man to sort out the Middle East. Who knows, maybe someone with no ulterior motive can figure it out. This isn't a vote of confidence in Kushner, more cynicism about those who have gone before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 He'll do about as good a job as Farage will as US ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 He reckons his son in law is the man to sort out the Middle East. There is that thing about his dads money getting him into Harvard as well. This surely can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 https://theintercept.com/2016/11/22/media-stars-agree-to-off-the-record-meeting-with-trump-break-agreement-whine-about-mistreatment/ Reiterates many of the points I made about the broadcasters meeting Trump and why it's pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44881 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 https://theintercept.com/2016/11/22/media-stars-agree-to-off-the-record-meeting-with-trump-break-agreement-whine-about-mistreatment/ Reiterates many of the points I made about the broadcasters meeting Trump and why it's pitiful. Absolutely spot on. The thing that really stood out for me when I read the comments was the little pansy that said he would "get over it all after thanksgiving" when that's the exact opposite of what his reaction should be. Greenwald hits the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Who knows, maybe someone with no ulterior motive can figure it out. This isn't a vote of confidence in Kushner, more cynicism about those who have gone before. No it's definitely bigging up his SIL. He requested security clearance for him to be in on the daily briefing ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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